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  • cyberphant0m - Monday, February 23, 2004 - link

    looks like the DDR2 module has around 230+ pins. Truly a revolutionary step in memory IMHO Reply
  • mechBgon - Sunday, January 11, 2004 - link

    Figure the motherboard's voltage circuitry to be about 75% efficient and that translates to ~200W draw at the motherboard. I wonder if this will cut down on the scoffing I sometimes hear when I recommend a 400W+ power supply... : ) Reply
  • INTC - Sunday, January 11, 2004 - link

    And once again CRAMITPAL talking trash about stuff that he knows nothing about. Right on the Ace's Hardware homepage is an article on Prescott that says:

    "...here are some (absolute) maximum power values:

    0.09 µ Pentium 4 "Prescott" 3.4 GHz: 86-93W"

    AMD's own thermal data sheet for Athlon 64/FX says 89W max http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white...

    Commenting on an unreleased processor is funny coming from CRAMITPAL - the true "FLAMEthrower" in this forum.
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  • CRAMITPAL - Sunday, January 11, 2004 - link

    Actually this subject has been discussed in considerable detail and the current 3.2 Gig. Piss 4/Prescott both use almost DOUBLE the electrical power of an equal speed rated A64 CPU. Ace's Hardware has the typical thermal dissipation figures and they are 50-60W for A64 and 100+ W for Piss 4/Prescott at 3.2 Gigs. When you calculate the additional power needed for the additional case fan(s) and larger/faster CPU fan for the Prescott, and the air-conditioning bill, the TCO for enterprise is staggering to use Prescott compared to the A64, and Prescott don't even do 64 bit apps.

    A typical U.S. University spends a MILLION dollars per month on electricity. Conservative cost analysis has shown that with A64 systems instead of P4/Prescott systems, a university could save 10% or more per month forever compared to the P4/Prescott. For those who can't do the math, that's a HUNDRED GRAND per month, every month. While the utility companies may love Prescott, you won't be seeing them in enterprise any time soon. The Mobo mfgs. are VERY unhappy with Intel as Prescott is gonna kill enterprise sales. Thankfully for most (but not all) Mobo makers, Opteron/A64 will fill the void created by Prescott.

    And despite the daydreaming Tejas ain't a dual-core chippie, yet at 2.8 Gigs. it does use close to 150W due to large caches. Smart investor should be buying stock in water cooling, fire extinguishers, insurance companies, and fire suits if ya wanna profit from Intel's Flame Throwers.

    The Times, they are a changin'
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  • Idoxash - Saturday, January 10, 2004 - link

    ... I dun know about you guys but besides the heat have you thot about the energy bill? This things eats up 150 watts by it self and that's not countting the rest of the system. You ask me I know VIA does not have the most powerful of cpus but they heading a far better diretion with their cheap/super cool cpus. I guess you can always say GAMES it's all about the GAMES! I think I go back to console and mobile gaming.

    --Idoxash
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  • Cygni - Saturday, January 10, 2004 - link

    On second thought, i might be thinking of some other codename that started with T... Reply
  • Cygni - Saturday, January 10, 2004 - link

    I think Tejas was originally the code name for an Intel "all in one" chip that integrated literally everything into one major die, some 2-3 years ago. He mentions it a little... I think they even got to sampling before killing the project.

    I too am sick of the rapid socket changes. Intel isnt the only guilty party... way too many AMD sockets as well.

    And that is a CRAZY mounting system...
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  • sprockkets - Saturday, January 10, 2004 - link

    Why wouldn't SOI work? Intel's future manu process will do SOI but with further treaking of the process.

    Haven't we already seen the new core of Prescott? Perhaps we saw the P4 at 90, but not prescott? It's smaller than what we have now. Chip architech had something on that.

    If you ask me why not commment on the fact that Anand's review had the 2.8 ghz Intel processor hidden from view? He of all people should know when it comes out.

    So much for making loads of money off of Prescott in q4 Intel.
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  • Dug - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    "We had to blur out some parts of the pictures to protect the identity of our sources"
    Shouldn't be too hard to figure out if there's only 10 samples out there :)
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  • mkruer - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    Just to poke fun at some of the other sites namely toms hardware.

    But if it is true that AMD are running hot and that the Athlon64 line runs at 85watts Then there is no way in hell (pun intended) that the tejis will ever run cooler then 140watts., because apparently according to them SOI doesn’t work.
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  • nitrus - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    i dont think its about intel vs amd anymore.. It's you versus ur (time, money, and sanity). With the tejas or prescott proc, im just not ready to invest too much time trying to solve new problems ( heat, power req, and bugs ). Looking at amd products, amd64 has matured quickly and waiting for a 939 sockets isnt so bad. until they simplify, i dont imagine myself going back to intel any time soon.

    Intel = Heat issue, low price/perf ratio, specialized chassis?
    summary = tired of running 3 different chipsets (850, 845, 875) last yr? how about 3 more this year?
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  • Jeff7181 - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    Oh... and... I think it's a safe bet that whenver this "Tejas" core teaches the market, Intel will be working on .065 nm process, and probably be using SOI, which should reduce the current leakage and voltage requirements so the 150 watts is probably a bit high. It may be a real number right now, but when they ad it to their product line I doubt it will be the same. Reply
  • Jeff7181 - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    I think we're approaching a time when the biggest challange isn't how to get more performance, it's how to get more performance without the lights in your home dimming when you fire up Unreal Tournament 2008 =) Reply
  • ZapZilla - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    CPUs, GPUs, chipsets, memory, and bigger power supplys are all pumping out more and more heat.

    I wonder what the total heat output of these new systems will be?

    Heat removed from the case may soon need to be connected to the clothes-dryer vent or other external vent!
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  • CRAMITPAL - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    To make the message REAL clear, here's the news directly from Intel at CES. You can read the tdetails at The Inquirer.

    "A chassis using a Prescott has to have enough vents and fewer airflow obstructions, so a chassis holding a Prescott has to be an approved chassis, and a heat sink has to be an approved heatsink."

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  • SlingXShot - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    Thru out the years I noticed improved the heatsinks, they got bigger and better. They might make their next heatsink pure copper, bigger fan. Reply
  • ZapZilla - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    ViRGE: My guess is that each pin has its own suspension or pressure mechanism. Otherwise, it would be very difficult for all those pins to make simultaneous contact with the CPU sufficiently. Reply
  • SlingXShot - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    #11, that thing has no heatsink. At least thats a good sign. Reply
  • SlingXShot - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    #10, if this is a sample, it must work somehow. Intel might have figured out how to deal with 150W. Even if you put current CPU intel heatsink with CPU fan, it prob will run 60C, thats still stable. Reply
  • HammerFan - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    and that's a lot of pins on DDR2: the tracings for MBs must be a nightmare... Reply
  • HammerFan - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    As stated before, where is the 150W going? So long as it doesn't get lost as heat i don't really care, but if it does, where will it go? Reply
  • SlingXShot - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    Who cares about the pins, the average comp geek person would not even touch the CPU for at least a year. If you trying to change the heatsink, no need to take it out. The only thing about pins is that at high currents, the pins will melt. Yeah melt. Intel has like a year or more to come up better specs for Tejas. Reply
  • ViRGE - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    Ok, so if the SocketT has the pins instead, what exactly do they look like(it's hard to tell by the picture)? Are we talking pins like what modern-day Athlons/P4's have, which tend to bend and what-not, or are they using some sort of new pin design where this is all taken care of? Reply
  • Pandaren - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    anyone else think osama bin cramitpal should be banned? ;) Spin all the outrageous statements you want, but in the end, nobody will take you any more seriously than the kkk or international socialist worker agitators.

    There are no solid performance numbers for either Prescott or Tejas, and it would be thus foolish to draw any conclusions.

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  • dvinnen - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    i don't suppose you can get them to pop the top off for a little lookse at the core. Reply
  • ZapZilla - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    I'm curious about what will be used to cool 150 watts of heat dissapation. Reply
  • araczynski - Friday, January 09, 2004 - link

    nice, thanks for the peek. i like the mounting brackets, although somehow i'm guessing they'll eventually "save money" and replace it with some worthless cheap plastic version. Reply

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