DFI UT P35-T2R: Tweakers Rejoice!

by Rajinder Gill on 10/18/2007 2:00 PM EST
POST A COMMENT

30 Comments

Back to Article

  • Rocket321 - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - link

    I would like to see the overclocking results put into a graph or chart of some kind.

    I guess tweakers might like the screenshots as "proof" that the overclock ran, but personally I trust you and would rather just have one place to look rather than clicking to enlarge multiple screenshots sequentially.

    It was a great review though, I look forward to the future tweaker guides & reviews.
    Reply
  • Raja Gill - Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - link

    There will be a more typical Anandtech look to future articles, with the DFI board revisited for a round up on a suite of benchmarks, this will be used to cross compare with other boards, clocked to equivalent with board maximums in the range and voltage. In terms of the screenshots, it is nice to have 1 persons trust, but there are many we have to please and not everyone is always as convinced..

    thanks for the suggestions..

    Next up is the Asus Maximus Formula..

    regards
    Raja
    Reply
  • Jodiuh - Thursday, October 25, 2007 - link

    Specifically Windvd conversions from divx/xvid to DVD would be wonderful as I've found this app benefits from a solid OC. Reply
  • beoba - Friday, October 19, 2007 - link

    It'd be great if this came with a glossary.

    "Strap"?
    Reply
  • retrospooty - Saturday, October 20, 2007 - link

    strap is a term used for memory clocking. for example, at 266mhz bus, memory can be "strapped" to one of the following.

    266x(stap2)=533 or DDR 1066
    266x(strap1.5)=400 or DDR 800
    266x(strap1.25)=333 or DDR 666

    If you are running at stock 266 there is no way to have DDR 950 because it has to be strapped to one of the above settings.

    I use the 1/1 strap so my bus speed is 500x(strap1)=500 or DDR 1000, in most cases 1/1 is the most efficient, if you can utilize it with your particular hardware, do it.
    Reply
  • Avalon - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Unfortunately, DFI's asking price of admission continues to rise for each new board they release. I was mildly annoyed when they started selling boards for $200+ that had little to no tangible benefit over $100-$150 boards, but now they're at the $300 mark? No thanks.

    This board is for someone who likes to spend his time tweaking and not actually using his computer.
    Reply
  • retrospooty - Saturday, October 20, 2007 - link

    "This board is for someone who likes to spend his time tweaking and not actually using his computer."

    The article title is called "Tweakers Rejoice" after all. The idea is not to tweak forever . I did spend alot of time over the first few weeks, but now that its tweaked, I just use it as is.
    Reply
  • Avalon - Sunday, October 21, 2007 - link

    Yes, I am quite capable of reading the article title. My whole point is that you are working for diminishing returns that I feel could be better spent using your system. If you're doing it to set a record, fantastic. I support that. Reply
  • retrospooty - Sunday, October 21, 2007 - link

    Understood... This is obviously not the motherboard for you. I personally love the BIOS options and CMOS reloaded functionality. That alone makes the extra cost well worth it to me. Asus BIOS just sucks, and I have had too many quality problems with them in the past, and Gigabyte just underperforms. I like to know I will not be held back by my motherboard for the next couple of CPU's I buy (will likely get a dual core Penryn on release for under $200, then a high end quad core Penryn a year or so later when it is under $200).

    I do see your point, but in spite of this article's stock speed comparison (totally pointless for a OC geared mobo), and similar results with one particular CPU, that looks as if it has an FSB limit equal on all 3 boards (meaning the CPU is holding it back) This board overclocks and performs better than any ASUS, or Gigabyte, or any other board out there. If AT tested the max FSB limits on a dozen or so CPU's, or if they had a "golden sample" that had a high FSB limit, you would see the difference. Also if they had time to test many diff RAM stocks and to tweak the memory settings you would also see the difference. Its a good article, but no reviewer has time to really dig into this mobo and all it has to offer. I do feel the article did a good job at explaining that.
    Reply
  • JNo - Sunday, October 21, 2007 - link

    "I like to know I will not be held back by my motherboard for the next couple of CPU's I buy"

    I don't know much about overclocking and I hold your views valid Retrospooty but surely this is still a lot of money that will still be needed to replaced in the short/medium-term if a) you want to start using DDR3 once prices come down b) if GPUs come out that take advantage of PCI-E 2 standard (as used on X38). So all that money is only paying for great OC'ing potential for *now* only... no?
    Reply
  • retrospooty - Sunday, October 21, 2007 - link

    Not really. Check this memory test here at AT. http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=312...">http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=312...

    At DDR 2000 at 6X500 CPU the best sisoft standard memory score for DDR3 is 9138 at DDR3 2000 8-7-6-18 ... I get 8871 with my DDR2 1000mhz at 4-4-4-10 with a similar setup on the DFI P35 mobo. DDR3 even at a highly overclocked 2000mhz is hardly faster than DDR2 at 1000 now. I am not going to go to DDR3 until Nehalem is cheap, and DDR3 latency is lower and cheap, 2 more years out.

    And PCI-E 2.0 is not going to help for a long time. Like with PCI to AGP, and AGP to PCI-E there is no improvement at all right off the bat. The graphic bus standard is always WAY ahead of the actual cards need for it, 1-2 years at least. We are not even utilizing PCI-E 8x, much less 16x, not even with dual 8800GTX's. Also , PCI-E 2.0 is backward compatible, so I I get the latest greatest Graphic card next year (whatever it is) it will be PCI-E 2.0, but will work fine on PCI-E 1 motherboards.
    Reply
  • Raja Gill - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    It's one of those things in life, despite having no real logic to it, 'tweaking' actually has a market. DFI took a risk, while this segment does not guarantee large sale volumes, some of the return is made up in a higher profit margin. Without DFI around, some of the more pioneering BIOS options (that actually are of use to Joe blow due to Intel's binning strategy), would never filter thru to other boards. The asking price is high, both Gary and myself recognised this. It has to be said that those who have paid the premium have generally not been dissapointed. In terms of the cascade results, yes, boardss like this and Asus's ROG line are used by the benchmarking community to chase big records, again this is a growing community who pays high dollar for every last drop of performance. We are aiming to satisfy a slightly wider audience with the performance board reviews, by looking at how they will be used, and help out with settings by spending long hours exploring the BIOS functions ourselves, still trying to give a balanced view for JB and some insight to help the benchmarkers decide if the board fits their needs... The bios's on so many of these boards are getting more complex, we hope those who buy the boards can use some of the settings we provide to get a base to work from, (if they need it)..

    If there's anything else you would like to see added, please let us know....

    regards
    Raja
    Reply
  • Jodiuh - Friday, October 19, 2007 - link

    SCREW THEM ALL! I've been drinking and still managed this in under 2 hours.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/jodiuh/DFI%...">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/...0UT%20P3...

    Sure I've been able to achieve good results w/ lowly air on the Giga DS3, Asus P5B, DFI Dark, and Abit IP35, but this board:

    1. makes oc fun
    2. great layout (usb ports towards the front where they should be, shame Abit)
    3. great stock cooling, especially for air
    4. excellent bios
    5. did I mention speed drunk oc? (beer, then 50mhz on the bus)

    It's truly a great game. And for about $260, it's a steal. There's no other board that offers this much pleasure. Sure it's $, but then didn't most of you pay $320 for your 6600's? :D
    Reply
  • Avalon - Friday, October 19, 2007 - link

    Any drunk monkey could OC a decent C2D to 3.5Ghz. I've had plenty of fun OC'ing on my $90 Gigabyte P35 DS3L, which also has a great layout and decent BIOS. It's no DFI, but it gets the job done for $160 less, which is enough money for me to buy a decent video card, 4GB of RAM, 750GB of hard drive space, etc...

    Don't get me wrong, DFI is by far my favorite motherboard company, and their BIOS tweaking is the best available. However, I will NEVER consider a $260 board a "steal" when the only thing I'll get out of it over a significantly cheaper board is that I have more settings to play with if I feel bored. Fortunately, when I get bored, I load up a game, instead.
    Reply
  • cmdrdredd - Saturday, October 20, 2007 - link

    Avalon hit it right on the head. Any decent C2D can do over 3.2Ghz and some up close to 4Ghz with proper cooling on $90 boards. There is absolutely NO reason to buy a $260 board this late to market. Not to mention that it is also slower than boards which retail for less money in this review at the settings used.

    The number of people actually willing to and wanting to use 550Mhz+ FSB is too small to matter.

    /end
    Reply
  • Jodiuh - Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - link

    Most of the 965 board's are a crap shoot for 500fsb, but the 2 p35's I've used had no qualms about this. It's not just getting the OC for me tho. I needed a board that:

    -doesn't look like rainbow brite exploded on it (Gigabyte DS3)
    -doesn't use an AMI bios, hits 500+ FSB easily (Asus P5B Deluxe)
    -doesn't crackle (DFI P965-S, Abit IP35 Pro)
    -isn't NV (EVGA 680i)

    -has usb ports, front panel header, and SATA ports in the far right of the board
    -and of course the great stock cooling (uses nuts/bolts), excellent bios, and stable voltages add to the package

    There's just no other non-Asus board that did all that right now. Paying another $70 for the extras isn't an issue for a hobbyist that plays w/ his rig.
    Reply
  • Acanthus - Friday, October 19, 2007 - link

    Yes, we did.

    And on quad cores, this board does no better than other boards much cheaper than itself.

    I am not here to bash DFI, they make great stuff.

    The price of admission is too high for this board for quad overclocking from the results i've seen. The FSB limitation appears to be the G0 quads themselves, they all seem to top out at 470-510fsb anyway. The Asus P5K and Gigabyte P35 DQ6 both easily do those speeds on unmodified boards.
    Reply
  • customcoms - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Thanks anandtech for providing an overclocking article TRULY worth reading! We needed a motherboard review like this when DFI's original nForce4 boards came out-trying to figure out every bios option, while fun and rewarding, is a very very time consuming process.

    Its one thing for a reviewer to claim "this board is capable of 500+ fsb speeds" and another COMPLETELY for that reviewer to document virtually every step and every bios option they used to get to that speed. This review is along the lines of the user reviews I normally turn to to verify the components I am interested work as advertised. While the cascade cooling results and extreme price of this board could have been left out, it is good to see a reviewer actually using the hardware in the environment a $300 (or $260, or any board over $200 imo) motherboard is going to be used in.
    Reply
  • Jodiuh - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    It can be found for $260 from motherboardpro. Comes w/ a nice little LAN carrying harness too. Reply
  • cmdrdredd - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Still too much money. As was said before, it still does not beat some of the boards which have been out for a long time. Sure it looks nice, but for the money spent here, you can buy more memory or the next step up in CPU if you go with a less expensive board.

    It's late, expensive, and does not have any magic that makes me say "it's better than anything else out there". Even the $90 IP35-E is a good match against this DFI board unless you have to or like to spend hours setting up the bios just so.

    It's nice, but like I said too little too late.
    Reply
  • Acanthus - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Although all of the tweaking options provided are nice, it literally does no better than Asus P5K Deluxe or the Gigabyte P35-DQ6.

    Furthermore with X38 boards on the way, im not seeing a whole lot of incentive for this $300 motherboard.

    Just my $.02
    Reply
  • retrospooty - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    This board has hit 672mhz FSB, far FAR higher than any other other board ever, including early samples of X38. Not likely to be matched until the DFI X38 comes out.

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php...">http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php...

    This link shows it at 666mhz, I cant find the 672mhz one at the moment, but its on the same forum, by the same guy with the same golden CPU.
    Reply
  • cmdrdredd - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Not usable 24/7

    WHO CARES!?
    Reply
  • retrospooty - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Well, it still goes alot higher than the others you mentioned, it is absolutely the best overclocking motherboard available. - that was what I responded too, obviously its not the one for you.

    Reply
  • Acanthus - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    That is from the DFI labs... with a beta board... on supercooling...and volt mods... on a dual core CPU that doesnt stress the PWMs...

    Anandtechs results even using phase dont approach those results.
    Reply
  • retrospooty - Friday, October 19, 2007 - link

    No, that is not from DFI labs, that is an independant dood, and CPU's that hit that high FSB are pretty rare.

    Whatever man, you can poo poo it all you want. It is the best OC mobo out there, and goes higher and takes it farther than any other. It may not be the one for you though.
    Reply
  • Raja Gill - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    You need to remember that this board was compared at stock settings, not OC'ed, things change up top...;), not to mention we could not get the board to crash..

    regards
    Raja





    Reply
  • Acanthus - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Its the same chipset, its not going magically increase in a non-linear fashion.

    The P5K and DQ6 hit the same maximum overclock.
    Reply
  • MadBoris - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    It makes sense that article takes a different approach, customers of this board or tweakers in general, will really appreciate the fine details.

    Personally, in the last ten years I have gotten to a place where I am very comfortable not pushing for the last 100 - 300 mhz. The meager tangible return is not worth all the extra voltage or potential stability issues that often come up later in the life of the HW due to creep, dust, aging paste, etc. I get a nice stress test capable OC, then back it up a notch. I won't win any 3dmark awards that way though but am very satisfied with stability when a new product stresses HW in ways not stressed before.

    One thing for sure with this board, I wouldn't want to lose the CMOS, then have to remember all my settings after a year.

    Nice board and good article, $300 is too much though for a MB for me. It's definitely elite.
    Reply
  • retrospooty - Thursday, October 18, 2007 - link

    Its alot of reading, but that is because the DFI is alot of motherboard. I have had it since it was first released and loving every minute of it. I have a C2D 6750 running at 8x500 fsb for a sweet 4 ghz on water at DDR2 1000 4-4-4-10 timing, man is it sweet.

    There are sooooo many bios tweaks to get better performance, or stability at high overclock - its definitely not for beginners... worth every penny of the $300 I spent.
    Reply

Log in

Don't have an account? Sign up now