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  • jeffkibuule - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link

    It's good to see that high DPI displays won't just be limited to Apple products! And breaking the 1080p barrier too! Reply
  • MonkeyPaw - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link

    High density displays are common for Android. It's the Windows tabs that suffer. Some of that is Clovertrail's fault, since the integrated GPU is pretty sad. There could be some desktop scaling issues at play as well. If we could just see better adoption of Modern, I think we'd see a high DPI breakthrough on all Windows tabs.

    I'm pretty sure out next PC will be a dockable tablet running either a low voltage AMD or late model Atom CPU.
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  • Gigaplex - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link

    The Modern UI DPI scaling isn't much better. Reply
  • kyuu - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    I've heard it is much better. Reply
  • inighthawki - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    Metro is much better and is completely high dpi aware. It is only legacy desktops apps that do not have proper support. Reply
  • B3an - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    Complete BS. I've used Metro at 720p to way over 2560x1600 and much higher, and it scales perfectly on everything. Reply
  • DanNeely - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    2560x1440 is large enough for 2:1 integral scaling (to 1280x720) which should allow non hDPI applications to be scaled with fewer artifacts than with various non-integral scaling options. Reply
  • zeo - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    High density displays are only common on the high end and certain name brand Android devices and they don't make up the majority of the Android market!

    One reason is because very high PPI increases power consumption considerably. The screen alone increased power consumption by 30% for the 3rd gen iPad for example.

    While the other reasons is much higher resolution also puts a much higher load on the system for both CPU and GPU and until recently most ARM devices didn't provide much performance at all.

    The latest Cortex A15 SoCs are only rivaling Intel ATOM performance and that's still very low on the PC performance scale!

    Devices like the iPad only get away with it because they managed to put in a 50% larger battery and increased the GPU performance with a quad configuration but even then performance doesn't exceed the graphical performance of even a low end AMD APU like the Hondo Z-60...

    While for PC's the reasons are because the desktop still doesn't scale well and because on PC's you'll be running far more powerful programs and at higher resolutions you need even greater performance in order to run things like modern games at good enough fps...

    Mind that iGPU's are still at best only at the level of a entry level discrete graphic card, with options like the Haswell Iris Pro pushing that maybe to mid range. While you'll need high end discrete graphic card performance to really support gaming on those high resolution displays!

    Never mind how all that performance will just kill battery life... So I wouldn't suggest they push it this early...
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  • kiotu - Sunday, June 30, 2013 - link

    Interesting point, but how come windows tab performance flaw has something to do with Clovertrail? Windows 8 RT tabs generally powered by nvidia tegra3, and the Windows 8 pro tabs are by intel Core series which I think is a powerhouse for any tablet in comparison. Care to elaborate? Reply
  • hackbod - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link

    Fyi Android introduced higher density displays well before iOS -- Droid was the first one, running Android 2.0, and came out a bit less than a year before the first iPhone with a retina display. :) Reply
  • Alexvrb - Saturday, June 08, 2013 - link

    My dad had an original Droid. It was a real pile. You can have a lot of pixels, but you'd better be able to drive them. It was slow as crap, and buggy as hell. After 2.2 it was a lot more stable and reliable, but it was EVEN SLOWER than the older releases on that anemic chip. So it was slow and buggy or really slow and not so buggy.

    The Galaxy Nexus he replaced it with is much better. It's showing its age though, but it's getting replaced soon.
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  • MrSpadge - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    What kind of "barrier" is 1080p at 10"?! Reply
  • HisDivineOrder - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link

    Since Haswell is so focused on power-sipping and device life, I really think Bay Trail is the one to be more interested in since it's a quantum leap from Atom to anything modern-ish. Reply
  • DTK - Thursday, June 06, 2013 - link

    Is that a USB3 port I see? are we finally going to see decent NAND in these things to make use of it? Reply
  • hypopraxia - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    USB3? Fourth to last image shows a weird connector and (what I find to be much more interesting) a thunderbolt connector. External display, external GPU (thanks SilverStone), external storage, docking station, etc. Hmm...methinks I like this mobility focused Intel. Reply
  • sphix - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    That is indeed a micro USB 3.0 port. Snapdragon 800 also has confirmed USB 3.0 support. Reply
  • sphix - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    Are you sure that's a thunderbolt connector and not a displayport connector? Reply
  • hypopraxia - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    It's Intel, of course it's a TB port. BTW, it's the same connector for TB and DP. Reply
  • Penti - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    Of course not, Bay Trail-T probably doesn't have much in terms of PCIe lanes or rather none at all M version does have a few lanes. I.e. 4 lanes PCIe 2.0 which is needed by other controllers than the TB-controller that consumes x4. It does have DP in all it's variants though. Reply
  • zeo - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    Bay Trail does have USB 3.0 support, while for storage drive it'll depend on what you consider decent.

    The Tablet version will still use eMMC but it'll at least be the more up to date version that supports the 4.5 specification that's a bit faster than what has been available up till now.

    It'll also use the better LP-DDR3-1066 RAM instead of the LP-DDR2-800 RAM that Clover Trail used.

    While, the Bay Trail-M range adds SATA II support and switches RAM support to DDR3L-1066...

    And finally, Bay Trail-D range increase the max number of cores to eight and max RAM speed to 1333, but lowers the number of support power states from C7 to just two but this version is meant for desktops and servers...

    Incidentally, Intel will be selling the Bay Trail-M under the Celeron branding!
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  • kyuu - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    "If Intel's reference design uses a 2560 x 1440 panel, it's safe to say that at least some of its customers will do the same."

    Is it? I wouldn't think OEMs would give a rat's arse what Intel does with their reference tablet.
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  • haukionkannel - Friday, June 07, 2013 - link

    It is something to compare with... Thre will be some with terrible panlel at low resolution, but it is guiet likely that there will some really good ones too. Just like ultrabook is not for everyone, but it gives some parameters that are guidelines. Those 300$ tablets are definitely not using a screen like this, but higher end version difinitely want to have more pixels just for advertisement purpose. The best thing is that bay trail can support resolutions like this! Reply
  • TheJian - Saturday, June 08, 2013 - link

    It's a total bummer they are going above 1080p. How slow do you want my games to run? Useless for all but app stuff, just like my dad's nexus 10 comes up short usually. I wish they would stop trying to dwarf my desktop with a SOC. I will be able to see 1440p on a 27/30in monitor, but what the heck do I need this for on a 10in screen? You are just slowing down my fun until at best 14nm socs. I'd rather have 1080p and far more graphical affects in the games (not that baytrail can even handle 1080p great...We'll see). Reply
  • zeo - Sunday, June 09, 2013 - link

    We'll, you can always set the game to a lower resolution!

    You don't have to play most games at native resolution and it should still look good on most screens, especially the smaller ones...

    As for 1080P... Intel actually demoed Bay Trail system running Torchlight 2 at 1080P and running smoothly!

    So you can expect to at least be able to run games at that range and maybe a few higher up at lowest settings...
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  • albruni - Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - link

    what is the brand name and what is the model of this bay trail based tablet. Reply

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