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  • Bigjaydogg3 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    I'm hoping someone like Pioneer or Alpine is going to utilize this as well. Its a great idea, but I've not been impressed by factory sound systems in the past. Reply
  • randomlinh - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    I hope this is mostly just an I/O interface from the OEMs. It would not be fun to be locked into one system of integration as it seemingly is now. This goes for any in car stuff, not just Apple. Reply
  • phreaqe - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    This had better not be locking us into only getting good compatibility with apple products. I will refuse to buy a car if that is the case. I am an iphone user and even still i dont want them to only work with apple products. No good can come from this. If this is just a "module" so to speak that works if you have an ios product, but still allows you to use other devices, then i am all for it. Reply
  • A5 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    It is obviously what it is. If you aren't using an iPhone, you'll just get the stock OEM interface instead of the Apple one. Reply
  • Braumin - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    I know there seems to be a big push for this stuff in the car, but it's just so full of issues...
    1. Touchscreens in cars are terrible
    2. Having to hook your phone up with a cable is archaic
    3. If this is locked to iPhones then it's going to be a huge problem for many many people

    Obviously got to wait and see what the end product actually is, but I'm personally full of trepidation with what this could be.
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  • slayernine - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    I really hope that this allows for other phones to be connected. This could be a huge dissapointment if it requires you to own an Apple device. Also why would be connect a phone with a cable when bluetooth works so well. Reply
  • A5 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Bluetooth doesn't have the bandwidth to transmit video. Right now this looks like it is mirroring the display of an app on the phone. Reply
  • Braumin - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Pretty sure WiFi could do this. That would be better than Thunderbolt. Reply
  • kalgriffen01 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    The only issue I see with using wifi or bluetooth would be spectrum congestion if many cars in the same location are running it. Reply
  • tuxRoller - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    The signal strength of a phone hotspot is pretty tiny. Reply
  • tuxRoller - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Bluetooth 3.0 HS with hardware accelerated encoding. Reply
  • gss4w - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    A cable lets you charge your phone instead of running down its battery. Reply
  • tuxRoller - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Wireless charging. Qi is, more or less, the standard now. Reply
  • davidcTecher - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - link

    Given that carplay requires a lightning connection, it's almost certain that this year's iPhone won't include wireless charging. Wireless charging could be nice but wouldn't be enough for me to leave the iOS ecosystem. Reply
  • tim851 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Agreed. Touchscreens in cars are bad. No tactile feedback means you have to take your eyes off the road for far too long. Reply
  • Braumin - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Yes my experiences with touchscreens in a car is exactly that. All of the buttons can (and do) move about depending on what screen you are on, so you have to concentrate on the screen to accomplish anything, as opposed to tactile buttons where you can learn over time to operate them without looking at them.

    It's a huge issue. I know why car makers are going down this road (looks great in the showroom) but not sure of the long term implications of this when we're already in such a distracted driving society already.
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  • Malih - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    It's weird how some people are concerned about being locked in.
    I imagine if I can actually afford a Ferrari, I wouldn't hesitate to get an iPhone if I don't already have one, just to enhance my driving experience.
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  • Braumin - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Would you think the same thing if you owned a Volvo? What if you own a Ferrari and you don't want an iPhone? Obviously the Ferrari is a special case, but pretty much all of the rest of the car makers are just owned by average people. Reply
  • maecenas - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Wow, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Volvo, Chevy, Nissan and Toyota - that's a lot of high volume players. If they can get buy-in from VW, they'll cover most of the market with this. Reply
  • iwod - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    missing VW, which is surprising. Reply
  • steven75 - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    Doesn't seem like there's any lock in--This is the same as the iPod connectors. You don't have to use it and your unit will continue to work.

    I may delay any future car purchase until this is available via my car manufacturer of choice. There's nothing comparable to the integration of an OEM head unit plus safety from thieves since they are really only interested in aftermarket units.
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  • errorr - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    It really depends on the communication. The iPod integration in car stereos was proprietary and given Apple and its penchant for exclusivity I would be surprised if it isn't apple only.

    On the other hand it might be possible to have the car makers integrate apple and open standards and just change out the connectors.
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  • PhatRS - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    I really like the sound of this feature, but until it becomes more widely available I'll continue using "Harken For iPhone" in the car. It's much easier to use than Apple's music player (bigger text, large buttons/touch areas). There's also "Harken" on the iPad but I need a new cradle for my iPad so I can't use it at the moment. Reply
  • wymynyfus - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    "Apple's new CarPlay system will ensure drivers' "eyes and hands stay where they belong," -- Meanwhile, Google's self-driving car will allow users to put their hands and eyes wherever they want.

    Bottom line - this thing will be great for safety. Word is http://4autoinsurancequote.com will be giving big insurance discounts to people who have the CarPlay installed in their vehicles
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  • ThreeDee912 - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - link

    Spam...? Reply
  • tuxRoller - Monday, March 03, 2014 - link

    I don't know how you can talk about this area and not mention genivi. That is the platform that, I think, you want.
    The issue with carplay is that it looks to be an iOS only solution. What you want is a platform that can handles the standards and apple. So, for genivi, there would be some "native" apps (depending on the OEM this could be truly native or html5) and an interface to handle external devices. For android/windows that would include miracast, probably, and apple's might be airplay. For wired connections it should be even easier.
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  • fteoath64 - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - link

    Yes, Genivi is for Open Solutions namely Android phones and/or any phone with Wifi and micoUSB plugs. But Apple is propreitary hence, CarPlay being Apple's simplistic implementation. There is no reason why an open Carplay like app can not be developed on any platform and handle the mirror-screen/mirror function controls. All such a system require is a USB2 port so owners can plug in their own cables for charging if they wish. It will use wifi solely to work the integration. This leaves the phone to also allow for being a HotSpot for the car to other occupants via wifi as well. Reply
  • tuxRoller - Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - link

    It's got nothing to do with android. Google created their own consortium to push android into cars. Genivi is lower level than that though it does push for HTML 5 solutions through their web APIs that access car functionality.
    The advantage of something like genivi is that you can run pretty much whatever you want in userspace but have a nice, standard set of libraries you can count on.
    As you say mirroring is pretty easy this why I don't see the point of carplay. It seems one could just implement airplay (it's an open spec isn't it?) and call it a day.
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  • michael2k - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - link

    It sounds like Genivi is to Android as Apple is to Apple.

    In other words, it will still require something like CarPlay to succeed before the Genivi members have the necessary inspiration to create something like it on top of Genivi.
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  • tuxRoller - Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - link

    Genivi has pretty much nothing to do with android. The spec is broader than that. Moreover, it's a composed of s bunch of companies and acts similarly to linaro except in the ivi space.
    http://projects.genivi.org/projects
    That's a list of their projects and you can see that the way they want to do business is by upstreaming first.
    What they provide is a base (through the baselines specs) along with various ways OEMS can provide an experience. The result should be very android like in that every car maker will develop its own skin except it won't be running android (though it certainly could through lxc).
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  • michael2k - Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - link

    That's what I just said. By providing a baseline for the OEMs it is like Android, but the OEMs still don't know what they are doing because none of them are smartphone makers first and foremost, nor software developers, nor usability experts.

    So, like Android, Apple will develop something that others will see and say, "Oh, I want that too."
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  • tuxRoller - Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - link

    Ah, I misunderstood the analogy, in particular the Apple to Apple part.
    So, yeah, I think you've a point though it is being addressed since car OEMS are involved as well.
    IMHO, it would make the most sense to include some of the Google Web apps since I don't think that requires a license. Eventually they could introduce their own variants based on open street map. For music they're lots of options.
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  • Wizec - Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - link

    Anand is usually so deep with his great articles. I was a little surprised that he didn't mention that CarPlay is just an Apple UI run on top of BlackBerry's QNX OS. The same OS that runs BB10 phones.

    The secret to Apple's new CarPlay? BlackBerry
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/03/04/appl...
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  • solipsism - Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - link

    That's because it wouldn't be accurate. Apple worked with QNX so that automakers that use QNX will be able to show Apple's UI being streamed from the iPhone on their display, but it doesn't require QNX to work. It's essentially a passthrough with the car not holding any of the CarPlay UI and the iPhone doing all the processing when CarPlay is enabled. Reply

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