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  • nadim.kahwaji - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    that's why we need the Red team to keep Nvidia's Motivation high :) Reply
  • schizoide - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    If you say so. AT measured the changes since 331, which was a very long time ago, and they only found a 0-11% performance increase. Assuming the gains are real for this driver, and didn't come in any of the many in between, 11% is nothing to sneeze at, but it's not worthy of a "major event". Reply
  • HisDivineOrder - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Was it more of a major event to you when it was Mantle giving that gain? ;) Reply
  • schizoide - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Nopers. Reply
  • unproven - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Anandtech should review AMD's Mantle. Reply
  • nathanddrews - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Yes it would, but I think they should wait until summer. This will give AMD a chance to normalize their drivers, nail down some of the rendering quality issues (missing/different effects and particles), as well as allow NVIDIA to do more driver improvements like R337. Then I think it would be a nice comparison. Reply
  • SeanJ76 - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    R290 has been out for 5 months and their drivers are still horrible.....so maybe another 5 months and they'll get a stable driver out there? LAWL@Amd garbage Reply
  • teiva - Friday, April 11, 2014 - link

    How are the R290 drivers horrible? Reply
  • hero4hire - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    The competition will be vs dx12. So we have can see a mature Mantle vs dx11, new dx12 all in one is what I would want. While a quick mantle vs dx11 would be nice (there's plenty of reviews out there ) it's more informative to compare current cards at $/perf then feature specifics in api. So I'd vote to hold off an in depth look until then. Reply
  • HisDivineOrder - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    DirectX 12 comes out at the end of next year (2015).

    I think they can squeeze in both a review of DX11 vs Mantle mid-summer AND a review of DX12 vs DX11 vs Mantle in December of 2015.

    It's not an either/or.
    Reply
  • Wreckage - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Here you go.

    wccftech.com/nvidias-directx-11-driver-better-mantle-api-benchmark/
    Reply
  • SeanJ76 - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    They did-
    http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/175881-amd-mantl...
    Reply
  • CiccioB - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    How do these driver perform with a more human monitor resolution? It is quite evident that if the GPU is at its limits no performance can be gained by reducing driver overhead (unless there is a SLI scaling problem like for TotalWar).
    What about a more wide spread 1080p resolution as in NVIDIA benchmark?
    Reply
  • CiccioB - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    driver = drivers

    An edit button would still be appreciated even after few years of the same request ;)
    Reply
  • JarredWalton - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    The reason we don't have edit is simple: it's supposed to make you think before posting. We want our comments to rise above the common Internet forum quality, and we feel the lack of an edit button helps ensure posters take time to proof anything before posting. If we just let anyone go and edit previous posts, think of all the potential flame wars and name calling that could ensue...THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

    Okay, not really; I'm not sure why we haven't added it, other than to guarantee that what you see posted is what was always posted, so there's no retroactive editing. :-)
    Reply
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  • JarredWalton - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    LOL... we get so much of that crap. I generally just flag the account as spam, which deletes all posts from that user ID (and potentially locks the account). Reply
  • nathanddrews - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Oh crap! It was a joke, I'm not a bot! ;-) Reply
  • teiva - Friday, April 11, 2014 - link

    damn I was about to post that my cat made $8213 last month for its internet business :) Reply
  • PrinceGaz - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    A time limit to edit your own posts is the best option, about ten minutes which is plenty of time to look at your post and check for speling errors and the like. Reply
  • schizoide - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Yeah, a 5 minute edit window would be nice. I make typos all the time, and it bugs me when I can't fix them. Reply
  • sascha - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    What about 7.5 minutes? Reply
  • HisDivineOrder - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    If someone retroactively edits, people usually catch them. They are often mocked for it, too. The public shame often drives them to binge eating and the stains of doritas powder marks them physically as a retroactive editor of posts. Thus, more shame piles on.

    Rinse, repeat.

    When you see someone covered in dorita's dust, you know what happened. That's why it's an unspoken law you must treat them as Worf was treated after he was disowned by the whole Klingon Empire. You just cross your arms and turn your back to them.

    Sure, they might stab you in the back and take your car keys or your iPhone, but at least you won't have acknowledged their existence.
    Reply
  • cobrax5 - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    Haha, nice... Reply
  • RonanH - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    testing a 780Ti at 1080p is a waste of time (and gfx horsepower) the system is probably bottlenecked by something other than the gfx card at that res. Reply
  • HisDivineOrder - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    If you want to know when the nVidia driver (or even Mantle) will make a difference, all you have to do is ask yourself: "Is my CPU bottlenecking me?"

    If so, yes. If not, not much improvement will be had. That's what makes Mantle being restricted to only GCN cards so absurd. The biggest gains Mantle has to offer are CPU improvements that could have been incorporated into OpenGL as extensions or, apparently, into DirectX drivers.

    But AMD wants you to go buy a GCN card or one of their relatively new APU's, so they refuse to make it work on anything except GCN.
    Reply
  • jwcalla - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    These two companies are great at hype.

    I went into the wrong line of business. I should have taken up marketing.
    Reply
  • Hameedo - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    You should have tested BF4, Theif and StarSwarm to compare with Mantle.. Reply
  • Margalus - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    I would like to see a review with these drivers showing if there were performance gains for older cards like the 580 and 680! Reply
  • username609 - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    AnandTech Overlords:

    I realize it's probably impractical to go back and re-bench everything in the Bench database when new drivers are released. But would it be possible to add a field indicating the driver revision that was running when the test result was achieved?
    Reply
  • skiddierow - Monday, April 07, 2014 - link

    How about some benchmarks of CPU bound games? I'm seeing a nice increase to min fps with these in WoW and GW2 on 3570k/660ti, Ultra preset was a no-go (for 60fps) in MoP before now. Reply
  • TheJian - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    They concentrated on 1080p as shown in their charts. Only 2% of users are running above this, that is why you didn't see much improvement. Why should they spend time on that when only 2% (according to steam hardware survey) use it? Test again with 1080p, otherwise these results aren't relevant. Nice info to know, but for 98% of us on 1920x1200 or below you're wasting our time. Reply
  • stacey94 - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    Are the improvements more or less pronounced on the Maxwell 750 series? Reply
  • coburn_c - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    337 gave me a code 43, guess that's one way to improve frame rates Reply
  • Scali - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    That happens on Windows 8.x when you have Hyper-V enabled. Disable Hyper-V or disable VT in your BIOS, and the drivers will work. nVidia is aware of the problem, and will probably fix that in the next beta release. Reply
  • coburn_c - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    Yeah I saw the geforce forum post, but I had to reboot like 5 times to get it all sorted so I had to come back and complain. Reply
  • Klimax - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    Unless I suck at reading I don't see specs on system, which quite important, because too powerful CPU will completely annihilate any change.

    Which would quite explain results. Not CPU-bound games on powerful CPU... Instead you should have some very weak CPUs like APUs or at least i3 or below...
    Reply
  • Azurael - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    Because everybody pairs a 780Ti with an i3... Reply
  • Klimax - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    You want to see changes on CPU side, you have to limit CPU side otherwise your testing will show just expected stuff and is generally useless.

    And 780Ti is great for elimination of GPU limits/bounds... Also if you wanted to go with proper real scenario, then you'd get say 750 or something, if you wanted to go there.
    Reply
  • rms - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    I've read Shader Caching is the secret to this driver's speedups. Any chance AMD could add this to their drivers as well? Reply
  • austinsguitar - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    Okay guys i am seeing a 5 fps increase on most games after this update (using an 660ti). Not only did the games speed up, but windows and in game frame-time has a HUGE benefit. The whole experience is bizarre and much smoother than before (im guessing this explains the new shader cache check box in Nvidia now). Anyway, just play around with your graphics card before updating and share what's up. Reply
  • austinsguitar - Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - link

    Oh yah, and i use a 2048x1152 resolution monitor and an i7 880 if that helps explain something. Reply
  • mapesdhs - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    I think you're the first person I've seen on a forum say they have an i7 880. Neat!
    Is it oc'd? If so, to what level? Which mbd? I bought a use 875K instead. Just curious! :)

    Btw, are you using a CRT display? That resolution sounds familiar, think I used to use
    it on my old Dell P1130 for gaming.

    Ian.
    Reply
  • austinsguitar - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    I have it oc'd to 4.4 ghz... im not really into making my computer unstable ans have a fast cpu ha. But nope. Im using a samsung 2343 lcd. Its pretty good. Reply
  • Mikuni - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    Desktop capture is actually useless for windowed mode games, since it includes also the game's caption bar and Windows' taskbar etc. I need to keel using Fraps until they sort this. Reply
  • SeanJ76 - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    337.50 is garbage for 670 FTW sli, tested and confirmed this new driver is only for 770/780ti Reply
  • LiquidLogic - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    Any news on this "Boost" being supported on card lower than the 7xx series? Reply
  • khory - Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - link

    The performance increases are pretty meh.

    However watching Red and Green fight for every ounce of advantage no matter how small is great.
    Reply
  • jtemplin - Thursday, April 10, 2014 - link

    @ Liquid Logic

    I was excited about this update potentially giving across-the-board increases to gaming performance so I decided to install my trust old 3dmark06 and do a before and after test. What I found is that on my relatively old GTX 560 and with a very old benchmark I got an 8% increase in my 3dmark score! (On a 2500K OC to 4.4 ghz and RAM @ 1600)

    I noticed D3:RoS framerate seemed way smoother and less spiky (mostly referring to downard spikes in FPS...but any variability can distract from gameplay) and HIGHLY recommend all nVidia ppl to get this update on the DOUBLE.
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  • jtemplin - Thursday, April 10, 2014 - link

    Huge grain of salt to my excitement--I should add that I was updating from year old drivers. So I can't say what the improvement is over more recent (just few months old) drivers. Reply

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