Shuttle XPC SN95G5

Overview

If you haven't already seen several reviews of the SN95G5, we'd be pretty amazed. Released almost a year ago, the SN95G5 was the first socket 939 SFF to market. Sometimes that's a bad thing, but it has actually held up quite well compared to some of the newer releases. We've already looked at Shuttle's SN25P unit, and while it improves on the SN95G5 in a number of areas, there are still reasons to consider the older model.

Aesthetics

We'll start with the outward appearance. Tastes will differ, but we feel that the G5 chassis is still one of the best looking SFF designs that we've seen. It's small, sleek, and the brushed aluminum finish on the covers as well as the front panel has a refined look that is difficult to beat. The G5 chassis is also one of the smallest - if not the smallest - fully functional barebones setups. Sure, you can get a smaller computer like the Mac Mini, but you can't upgrade a Mini to run with a high-end graphics card and processor. The font panel also features very subdued lighting, and chrome accents add a bit of visual flare.

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As a size comparison, the G5 is 1 cm less in length than most other SFFs - not a big deal, but it's still a difference. The P series Shuttle chassis is 1 cm longer and wider, as well as 3.5 cm taller. There are reasons for the increased size, which you'll see in the features section in a moment. The ST20G5 is a very similar design, with the major difference being the chipset and features. It also comes in silver rather than black by default, which some people will prefer. Overall, though, we think that the G5 design is perfect for a variety of uses, including an office setting.

Features

Shuttle XPC SN95G5v2
Dimensions (w)200 mm x (h)185 mm x (d)310 mm
CPU Support AMD Socket 939 up to FX-55
X2/90nm support may require SN95G5v3
Memory Support PC1600/PC2100/PC2700/PC3200 up to 2GB; 2 DIMM slots
Motherboard FN95 (proprietary)
NVIDIA nForce3 Ultra Chipset
1X-5X (200-1000MHz) HyperTransport
8-bit/8-bit to 16-bit/16-bit HT Width
Expansion Slots 1 x 4X/8X AGP; 1 x PCI
Power Supply 240W Silent X Power Supply
2 x 4-pin Molex; 1 x 4-pin FDD; 3 x SATA
1 x 4-pin ATX12V; 1 x 20-pin ATX
Internal Connections 2 x SATA; 1 x IDE; 1 x FDD; 1 x LPT
Audio Realtek ALC655 5.1 channel
LAN 1 x 10/100/1000 Mbps (NVIDIA + PHY)
Drive Bays 1 x 3.5 External (FDD/HDD)
1 x 3.5 Internal (HDD)
1 x 5.25 External (CD/DVD)
Front I/O 2 x USB 2.0
1 x IEEE1394 (4pin)
MIC, Head-phone
Power & Reset buttons
Power on & HDD LED indicators
Rear I/O 2 x USB 2.0
1 x IEEE1394 (6pin)
PS/2 KB, PS/2 Mouse
Serial port
RJ-45 LAN Port (10/100/1000Mbps)
Line-in, S/PDIF In Optical
S/PDIF Out Coax
Center/Sub, L/R Front, L/R Rear
Overclocking CPU 200-280; CPU Ratio 4X-Max; Northbridge 1.60V-1.70V
Vcc 0.800-1.700V; DDR Auto, 2.70-2.90V
Extras ICE cooling
Full Image Set Shuttle SN95G5v2 Pictures (3.4MB)
Manufacturer Link Shuttle XPC SN95G5

The feature list of the SN95G5 covers all of the requisite areas. Firewire, USB, GbE, and audio ports are all available. S/PDIF optical in and out ports are also included on the rear, along with an S/PDIF coaxial out connection. The remainder is pretty standard for a well-equipped SFF. There are two DIMM slots, an AGP and PCI slot, two SATA and IDE connections, and a floppy connection. The chassis has room for one internal 3.5" HDD, along with external 3.5" and 5.25" drive bays. The 3.5" external bay is unoccupied, so you can choose to either leave it empty or fill it with a floppy, flash card reader, or a second hard drive. That's pretty much it as far as expansion features, which isn't too surprising given the size of the case.

There are a few items worthy of further discussion, however. First is the choice of platform. While PCI Express is getting all of the news coverage these days, AGP is not dead yet. For those who spent several hundred dollars on a (formerly) high-end AGP graphics card, AGP is still perfectly acceptable. Going forward, PCIe cards will come out first, with bridge chips being used to allow backwards compatibility with AGP. (The 6600GT and X800XL are both prime examples of what we imagine will be the future trend in graphics card releases.) If you're building a new PC from scratch, AGP probably isn't the best choice; for those looking to assemble computers out of spare parts with a few new purchases, AGP still has a lot of untapped performance. The PCI slot is at present even more useful, as we have yet to see any PCIe X1 expansion cards. That will change in the future, but for now, it is possible to get sound cards, TV tuners, or a variety of other cards that will run in a PCI slot, where an X1 PCIe slot would sit empty.


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Moving on to the CPU socket, we've already mentioned that socket 939 is our present SFF platform of choice. The new dual-core Pentium D is a more attractive alternative than the old Prescott, but for the price, performance, and heat characteristics, we still recommend socket 939. Heat dissipation is a much bigger concern in a SFF case, after all. What's nice about socket 939 is that it isn't a dead end, as a BIOS update should provide support for the (now shipping) dual-core Athlon 64 X2 processors. We have heard that a BIOS update enabling X2 support is available for the SN95G5, but we've also heard that Winchester and Venice cores require the SN95G5v3 (we're testing the SN95G5v2). If you can only get X2 and 90nm chip support with the v3 model, there are going to be some disappointed people. Shuttle in North America appears to be willing to swap SN95G5v2 for v3 in North America, but you'll have to talk to them on your own. (If you have tried this, please email me the results - did they swap without difficulty? How much did it cost? I'll include any details that I can get in the follow-up article.)

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There are a few minor concerns with the SN95G5, as usual. One is the rear audio ports: they're all green and the icons/text are difficult to read for those with less than stellar eyesight. Almost every motherboard/SFF that we've seen in recent years has color-coded the audio ports, and we're a little baffled that Shuttle didn't do this on their G5 models. The good news is that in contrast to several other units, we didn't encounter any issues with the onboard audio on the SN95G5. The rear ports were as clean as any that we've tested, and we didn't notice any noise on the front headphone port either. There may have been a very small amount of noise on the front port, but if so, it wasn't enough to be distracting. We do wish that the integrated audio were of the HD variety, but as we'll discover with the ST20G5, HD audio doesn't necessarily mean that it's good HD audio.

Another possible cause for concern is the lack of a flash memory reader. (The new P series includes a flash reader, and the older G4 chassis came with one as well.) The Soltek and G5 SFFs are the only models without a reader in this roundup. We're not too worried about this omission, however, as those who really want such support can purchase a reader from Shuttle or elsewhere. Still, given the price of the Shuttle compared to competitors' offerings (around $280 these days), some people may not be as ambivalent as we are.

In fact, a lack of expansion possibilities is the biggest drawback that can be levied against the SN95G5. One HDD, one optical drive, and one 3.5" external bay makes it one of the most limited SFF designs around. The 240W power supply is also rather small, although it handled our SFF configuration without incident. We're saying this not as a problem with the G5, but as something to be aware of should you purchase such a case - many other SFFs have this same set of expansion options. A design decision was made, and expansion was limited in favor of being smaller. The only way to further reduce the size would be to use 1.8"/2.5" laptop HDDs and a half-height optical drive. We might see such a design in the future, but laptop drives are quite a bit slower, so it's not a change that could be made without consequences. Those who are more concerned with expansion possibilities can turn towards the SN25P, as it is pretty much on the other end of the expansion spectrum for SFFs.

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  • JarredWalton - Friday, August 12, 2005 - link

    I'll hit the KLOSS as soon as I can. (I have it already.) So unless someone else votes, I guess I'll get the KLOSS reviewed next.
  • Sokolum - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link

    For the last 2 months now i have a ST20G5 using as a MCE system. There are a few problems what i have encounbtered, one of them is that the system behaviour changes when i change a setting within the BIOS. Those aren't dramatic changes. But with every change, it looks like that the graphics runs muchmore slower, you can see this with dragging a windows screen over your desktop, you get trails from that window...
    The system only runs smooth when i *don't* touch those setting. Happily the things keep running smoothly when i enlarge the shared video memory.

    For the MCE side, i failed to make the Hauppauge 500MCE run compleetly as it should, i am only able to run TV 'Tunner 1' without problems when i *disable* TV 'Tunner 2' within windows Device Manager. Shuttle or Hauppauge couldn't help me with this case.
    As the review documented, this is one of the cases that RAID is causing the problem in this story. In my MCE setup, i don't use RAID (there is *no* room for a seccond drive when you installed a floppy drive). Why RAID is the problem, what i have been told is that RAID wants to use al of the PCI bandwith. It seems the nature of RAID in this kind of systems, just een told, i am not for 100% sure, but it seems plausible to mee.



    , a nice looking machine. I solved the problem for the flash cards with buying a floppy disk what come with a integrated card readed, see link:
    http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productDetails.h...">http://www.alternate.nl/html/shop/productDetails.h...

  • mino - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link

    Jared I must confes, this is the _first_ time i see everclocking test done as it should have been. I really appreciate the comments for newbies (it makes easier to me to explain to them if you could reference somthing :). Also finally use of correct term oo A64 base freq./FSB issue. I think this way is it should be done for _all_ A64 motherboard review.
    1) do a maximum base freq. check (by keeping memfreq. around DDR400 + CPU not overclocked
    2) do a max memclock test at 1T (with some proven components, just to check quality of CPU to MEM routing on the MB)
    3) do some max. overclock test (actually this may be optional since it depend mostly CPU chosen)

    Keep at this route and many readers may finaly undestand the basics of A64's OCing.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link

    I'm working on some detailed overclocking articles right now. Glad you enjoyed the section, and I'll be going into a LOT more detail (with benchmarks) on some future OC articles.
  • dropadrop - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link

    Thanks for the nice review,

    If you are considering a followup I would love to see you test usb. While the usb on my sn95g5 v2 works for casual things like a mouse, digital camera and memory card reader, it does not work for an ipod shuffle, external soundcard (hercules dj console), or external hardisk.

    There have been alot of people with similar experiences. It wold be great if you could find a way to test the sff's with a few "demanding" usb devices, and even measure the voltage (and stability of it) supplied via usb.

    I also second the request for you to test the sn95g5 with an X2. The new bios surely supports them, as people in north america have been getting their current rigs modded by shuttle for support. I would love to see how your's supports it (and maby even venice / san diego) without being modded. I believe you would have the chance to help alot of confused SN95G5 users by trying out a few cpu's in it.
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link

    I will definitely give it a shot. At present, my intention is to purchase an external IDE HDD enclosure with USB2.0 and 1394A support and do some file transfers and such between that and the system. The problem with that approach is that the enclosures all have an external power source. Can anyone recommend an inexpensive USB/Firewire HDD enclosure that gets the power over the USB port? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">I found this one, but I'm not really keen on spending $160 for something I don't personally need.
  • dev0lution - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link

    How come the SN25P details don't mention the update from nforce4 standard to nForce4 Ultra? I'm thinking of getting one so I went to the previous review and it lists chipset in the specs as the nForce 4 standard, but if you go to Shuttle's current product page for the SN25P it lists the chipset as the Nforce4 Ultra. Who's correct?
  • JarredWalton - Thursday, August 11, 2005 - link

    I think I may have just been lazy or neglectful in the original SN25P article. I'm pretty sure it was always nForce4 Ultra. Then again, regular nf4 vs. nF4U only adds SATA-II support IIRC. I don't see anything about SN25P supporting SATA-II which is sort of odd.
  • Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link

    I know it may be a "dated" or more "Entry Oriented" socket, but I have found that the socket 754 SFF systems are great for gaming and general use. Was there ever a roundup for them? If not, I'd like to see maybe a limited look at them to remind everyone that they are viable alternatives to, and about $75-$100+ cheaper than, these socket 939 options.

    I think it's important to point this out because of the note in the article that a SFF option incurs a premium....maybe so, but there are still cost effective options in that market. thanks.
  • Cookie Crusher - Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - link

    Nevermind.....i found the roundup I was hoping for.....still, would be nice to make that reference to the older socket types as legitimate choices for SFF hopefuls on a budget. :-)

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