ATI MultiGPU Done Right: The Radeon X1800 CrossFire Edition
by Derek Wilson on December 20, 2005 9:00 AM EST- Posted in
- GPUs
Final Words
SLI was not without its hiccups at the outset. Since NVIDIA launched its dual GPU solution a year ago, things have only gotten better. The first few months of CrossFire have shown us that ATI is struggling down the same road that NVIDIA set out on with SLI. The first version of CrossFire wasn't as refined as we had hoped it would be, but everyone has to start somewhere. The X1800 CrossFire Edition card shows that ATI is making significant progress in the multi GPU arena.
The system level problems and difficulty we had with the initial version of CrossFire were largely solved this time around, as (after a proper BIOS update) we had no trouble enabling CrossFire or getting it running. The reboot required for getting the card to work with the 256MB X1800 XL is a bit of a step backward, but it's nothing major. Super AA modes work, but aren't worth it in games that see a performance benefit from more than one GPU. These modes haven't changed from the original X800 CrossFire release, but now AA mode blending is done in hardware as well.
Unfortunately, there are still some real down sides. Aside from not hurting performance, there should be absolutely no game that suffers a performance hit from enabling CrossFire. This kind of problem was one of the issues we saw with NVIDIA's SLI when it first came out and selecting the wrong mode could cause performance issues (though we never saw anything as dramatically catastrophic as CrossFire's performance under Black and White 2). Hopefully ATI can fix all of this with some additions or changes to the application detection in Catalyst A.I.
There isn't as much capacity for customization of how CrossFire affects a particular game. Sure, we could probably figure out how to perform some sort of registry hack to force CrossFire to enable a specific mode, but NVIDIA's drop down menu is so much more efficient. I do agree that it is usually best to let the driver and application figure out what to do, but clearly there are some cases where things can go wrong. More finely grained customization is something we have been looking for from ATI in general, but as systems get more complex (such as in the case of multi GPU solutions), it is even more important to give the end user more control with solid default functionality.
We still don't like the external dongle as much as NVIDIA's internal bridge (especially the flexible kind). While our lab sports an excessive number of cables running everywhere, we are sure that less clutter behind the machine is better for everyone. And GPU to GPU communication does have board space and other advantages as well. Thankfully, this time around we are able to squeeze dual-link DVI bandwidth in to and out of the cable. While mastercardless CrossFire is in ATI's future, it is unclear yet what kind of performance or quality impact this will have on the overall solution.
Performance is one of the high points of CrossFire in general. In many cases, the X1800 XT in CrossFire performs between the 7800 GTX SLI and 7800 GTX 512 SLI setups. Things may heat up even more when ATI brings out its R500 series refresh part to compete more directly with NVIDIA's top of the line king of the hill GeForce 7800 GTX 512.
But price is still an issue for ATI at the high end. With the 7800 GTX selling for between $450 and $500, finding two that fall somewhere between $900 and $1000 isn't a difficult task. With the X1800 CrossFire Edition at about $600 and the price of standard X1800 XT running between $500 and $550, shelling out $1100 or more dollars for CrossFire isn't a stretch. Unless the system is just made to eat money, one or two hundred dollars is a good savings for a comparable solution that is much more mature. And for those who want the best of the best (and really can afford to burn money), that's still going to be the $1400 dual 7800 GTX 512 setup.
And above all of this looms the shadow of availability. After an early morning look around, it doesn't look good. Some vendors have X1800 CrossFire Edition cards listed on their site, but they are all showing out of stock, back ordered, or early January ETAs on parts. With previous NVIDIA launches, we have seen product available for purchase before we published. With the 7800 GT launch, we even had parts listed for sale in our RTPE the weekend before we could talk about it. Without seeing anywhere to physically buy the hardware just hours before it is supposed to be publicly available does not give us a warm and fuzzy feeling about ATI's promises. But we are good sports, so we will keep checking throughout the day for any sign of an online vendor actually selling parts. ATI knows how important this launch is in earning some level of trust back from the press and their customers. All we can do at this point is hope that translates into results.
UPDATE: To put things bluntly, we aren't exactly certain how to react to this luanch. On Tuesday, there was very limited availability at one or two online retailers. Most major sites listed availability as "out of stock" or "backorder", but if you looked hard enough you could find a card for sale. We have to give ATI credit for this, as its much more than we've seen in the past. The day after launch more sites have the X1800 CrossFire edition available for immediate purchase. The situation is a little better, but not quite on par with the 7800 GT or 6800 GS launches. We all know the 7800 GTX 512 is all but impossible to find right now, but people who got in there quickly were able to get product at launch. Neither the 7800 GTX 512 situation nor this X1800 CrossFire launch are what we really want: immediate availability of parts in high enough quantities to at least to meet demand. Yes, it is quite a bit to ask, but NVIDIA has shown us it can be done with 7800 GTX, GT, and 6800 GS launches. Yes, it is the holiday season, so we understand that the pressure and difficulty of delievering what we want is increased orders of magnitude over the already difficult process of hard launching a part. So what's our final assesment?
For now, this is enough. We commend ATI for coming through and getting some cards out there at launch. But we still want to see more improvement in the future.
SLI was not without its hiccups at the outset. Since NVIDIA launched its dual GPU solution a year ago, things have only gotten better. The first few months of CrossFire have shown us that ATI is struggling down the same road that NVIDIA set out on with SLI. The first version of CrossFire wasn't as refined as we had hoped it would be, but everyone has to start somewhere. The X1800 CrossFire Edition card shows that ATI is making significant progress in the multi GPU arena.
The system level problems and difficulty we had with the initial version of CrossFire were largely solved this time around, as (after a proper BIOS update) we had no trouble enabling CrossFire or getting it running. The reboot required for getting the card to work with the 256MB X1800 XL is a bit of a step backward, but it's nothing major. Super AA modes work, but aren't worth it in games that see a performance benefit from more than one GPU. These modes haven't changed from the original X800 CrossFire release, but now AA mode blending is done in hardware as well.
Unfortunately, there are still some real down sides. Aside from not hurting performance, there should be absolutely no game that suffers a performance hit from enabling CrossFire. This kind of problem was one of the issues we saw with NVIDIA's SLI when it first came out and selecting the wrong mode could cause performance issues (though we never saw anything as dramatically catastrophic as CrossFire's performance under Black and White 2). Hopefully ATI can fix all of this with some additions or changes to the application detection in Catalyst A.I.
There isn't as much capacity for customization of how CrossFire affects a particular game. Sure, we could probably figure out how to perform some sort of registry hack to force CrossFire to enable a specific mode, but NVIDIA's drop down menu is so much more efficient. I do agree that it is usually best to let the driver and application figure out what to do, but clearly there are some cases where things can go wrong. More finely grained customization is something we have been looking for from ATI in general, but as systems get more complex (such as in the case of multi GPU solutions), it is even more important to give the end user more control with solid default functionality.
We still don't like the external dongle as much as NVIDIA's internal bridge (especially the flexible kind). While our lab sports an excessive number of cables running everywhere, we are sure that less clutter behind the machine is better for everyone. And GPU to GPU communication does have board space and other advantages as well. Thankfully, this time around we are able to squeeze dual-link DVI bandwidth in to and out of the cable. While mastercardless CrossFire is in ATI's future, it is unclear yet what kind of performance or quality impact this will have on the overall solution.
Performance is one of the high points of CrossFire in general. In many cases, the X1800 XT in CrossFire performs between the 7800 GTX SLI and 7800 GTX 512 SLI setups. Things may heat up even more when ATI brings out its R500 series refresh part to compete more directly with NVIDIA's top of the line king of the hill GeForce 7800 GTX 512.
But price is still an issue for ATI at the high end. With the 7800 GTX selling for between $450 and $500, finding two that fall somewhere between $900 and $1000 isn't a difficult task. With the X1800 CrossFire Edition at about $600 and the price of standard X1800 XT running between $500 and $550, shelling out $1100 or more dollars for CrossFire isn't a stretch. Unless the system is just made to eat money, one or two hundred dollars is a good savings for a comparable solution that is much more mature. And for those who want the best of the best (and really can afford to burn money), that's still going to be the $1400 dual 7800 GTX 512 setup.
And above all of this looms the shadow of availability. After an early morning look around, it doesn't look good. Some vendors have X1800 CrossFire Edition cards listed on their site, but they are all showing out of stock, back ordered, or early January ETAs on parts. With previous NVIDIA launches, we have seen product available for purchase before we published. With the 7800 GT launch, we even had parts listed for sale in our RTPE the weekend before we could talk about it. Without seeing anywhere to physically buy the hardware just hours before it is supposed to be publicly available does not give us a warm and fuzzy feeling about ATI's promises. But we are good sports, so we will keep checking throughout the day for any sign of an online vendor actually selling parts. ATI knows how important this launch is in earning some level of trust back from the press and their customers. All we can do at this point is hope that translates into results.
UPDATE: To put things bluntly, we aren't exactly certain how to react to this luanch. On Tuesday, there was very limited availability at one or two online retailers. Most major sites listed availability as "out of stock" or "backorder", but if you looked hard enough you could find a card for sale. We have to give ATI credit for this, as its much more than we've seen in the past. The day after launch more sites have the X1800 CrossFire edition available for immediate purchase. The situation is a little better, but not quite on par with the 7800 GT or 6800 GS launches. We all know the 7800 GTX 512 is all but impossible to find right now, but people who got in there quickly were able to get product at launch. Neither the 7800 GTX 512 situation nor this X1800 CrossFire launch are what we really want: immediate availability of parts in high enough quantities to at least to meet demand. Yes, it is quite a bit to ask, but NVIDIA has shown us it can be done with 7800 GTX, GT, and 6800 GS launches. Yes, it is the holiday season, so we understand that the pressure and difficulty of delievering what we want is increased orders of magnitude over the already difficult process of hard launching a part. So what's our final assesment?
For now, this is enough. We commend ATI for coming through and getting some cards out there at launch. But we still want to see more improvement in the future.
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tuteja1986 - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
i meant to say BF2 :( i know i am an idiot >>> Anyways please forgive me and i have a 7800GTX so don't call me a ATI fanboy , i can even take a screenshot if you want :!tfranzese - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
So were back here today with the CrossFire solution that should have been: the ATI Radeon X1800 CrossFire Edition.we're
tfranzese - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
So lets all throw a shit fit about every company that ever announced a product only to have availability weeks to years from that announcement.Anandtech staff is just as bad as it's two year old readers who tie emotions in with silicon. Grow up and learn some patience - if you can't wait, buy someone elses product and stop your whining.
tuteja1986 - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
crossfire does great in DOD source , Black and White 2 and it beats Nvidia 7800GTX 512MB SLI . how ever it doesn't great in DOOM 3 engine. FEAR and Chaos theory it manages to defeat the 7800GTX 256MB SLI easy but in high quality of chaos theory it keeps up with 7800GTX 512MB. X1800XT crossfire has only one problem and that it suck in DOOM engine benchmark but overall its great.jonny13 - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
"crossfire does great in DOD source , Black and White 2 and it beats Nvidia 7800GTX 512MB SLI "You obviously didn't read the article if you thought Crossfire did great in Black and White 2. It failed to get above 12 fps and was over 50% slower than a single x1800XT at times.
BigLan - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
No x1800 master cards showing on Newegg or CompUSA's website as of 10AM EST. Really hope ATi make good on their availability promises this time.michaelpatrick33 - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
I think the R580 chipset and videocard will be the real crossfire shot at SLI. This feels a little early generation SLI to me and they seriously need to get rid of the dongle, LOL. I can't wait to see the R580 in relation to the 7800GTX 512 market edition card.radekhulan - Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - link
Problem is that current ATI Crossfire setup is way inferior to NVIDIA SLI, despite big heading "ATI MultiGPU done right", and I do not believe this will change much with hyped R580.With NVIDIA I can:
- mix any similar cards, being it 6800GS/GT, 7800GT, 7800GTX, 7800GTX-512, thus saving costs
- get much better drivers
- get support for user defined game profiles, thus when I purchase a new game, I do not have to wait a month or two for card producer to come up with new drivers and that game support (ie. with ATI I will play new games using SuperTiling with 0% to -50% "improvement", with NVIDIA I will create a new game profile using e.g. AFR2 and get immediate 90% improvement)
- there is no huge external dongle, and I guess picture quality should be better as well with SLI
- there is much better availibility of NFORCE4-SLI chipsets / motherboards
- I can connnect up to 4 monitors to NVIDIA SLI, but I cannot to Crossfire
- I can switch NVIDIA SLI on/off without restart
- I get better performance with NVIDIA SLI
ATI Crossfire seems still like an afterthought, nothing else, while NVIDIA SLI is a technology incorporated into the core. If I want to game on 1600x1200, the only real option is to get NVIDIA SLI.
I understand that Anandtech cannot bash Crossfire too much, to keep good relations with ATI, free products, shows, trips, etc., but I belive that superiority of NVIDIA SLI is very clear here..
Visual - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
I don't know what you're talking about.- you can't mix any of the cards you listed with each other, except a GTX with a GTX512 (gotta use only 256mb from each, and run the 512 model at the normal GTX speeds);
- dont see how drivers are better
- dunno if a profile tool/editor for ati exists or is in the making, so cant comment on this; but you're overestimating the improvement on nvidia
- its just a cable; your guess about the quality comes from what grounds? guess what, you guessed wrong.
- point, unless you go intel; but i seriously hope both ATI and nVidia will release unlocked crossfire drivers that work on any dual16x board
- last i checked, you can't use the outputs on the secondary card in SLI mode, you have to switch SLI off first; i might be counting on outdated information, but i doubt it.
- yeah, and you do that how often? i bet its much fun and enjoyment... no seriously, you're right that this is a convenient feature as occasionally you'd have to switch it, but it doesnt seem too important does it? plus there's no telling if crossfire can't do the same eventually.
- again an unfounded claim
Indeed Crossfire seems like an afterthought to me too, and nVidia's superiority here is (atleast was, until recently) clear. But that's the good part of competition - nVidia forced ATI to "afterthink" something out, and it will be getting better with time. Crossfire is just as serious an option as SLI, and if you stick with your "the only real option is to get NVIDIA SLI" you're just purpously closing your eyes.
Think what you want, I don't really care. But don't preach unfounded fanboyism without expecting to face differing oppinions.
coldpower27 - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - link
However, 7800 GTX 512 is not the competitor for R580, that competitor is G71, which is supposed to be due in Early Feburary as opposed to R580's Late January.