Test Setup
Test conditions are maintained the same, as much as possible, over the platforms tested except in our overclocked tests where the final overclocking capability of each BIOS is measured independently. Our game tests are run at a resolution of 1280x1024 with 4xAA and High Quality settings enabled. We feel like these settings and resolutions will provide accurate benchmark results for the typical user utilizing a high end video card with a mid-range processor. We utilize new drive images for each BIOS in order to minimize any potential conflicts. We run each benchmark five times, throw out the two low and high scores, and report the remaining (median) score.
Performance Test Results
We are utilizing an abbreviated set of benchmarks to show the impact of the overclocking improvements upon both memory performance and a couple of games. We will utilize SiSoft Sandra 2007 for the Buffered and Unbuffered memory scores; Everest Ultimate Edition for memory latency, and SuperPi 1.5 1M test for general reference. Our Quake game benchmark utilizes the IdNetDemo demo recording. This includes mainly outdoor areas with numerous players trying to eliminate each other. We tested the game with High Quality settings (uncompressed normal maps), and we enabled all the advanced graphics options except for VSync. This game is very sensitive to memory latency changes and is a good indicator of how memory settings can affect the performance of the game. Our Battlefield 2 benchmark utilizes our in-house recording based on the 1.3 release. This recording includes numerous players and vehicles battling it out on the Daqing Oilfield map. We tested the game with High Quality settings enabled. We have found this game to be sensitive to both CPU and GPU changes. Since our GPU remains constant we will see the effects of our FSB overclocking along with memory latency changes on the final score.
In our memory synthetic tests we see the results at 9x385 FSB to be nearly the same between the F6 and F7 BIOS releases, indicating no real changes in the internal BIOS settings. The results at 8x425 FSB show a slight improvement across the board with a significant change in the memory latency. The game tests follow the same path with the differences being minor. This confirms what Gigabyte told us: they have further optimized the BIOS for overclocking without affecting the timings adversely.
However, we fully see the effects of the memory controller strap changing to 1333 from 1067 at the 401 FSB or higher settings. We see our 9x385 FSB settings being equal to or better than our 8x425 settings in our game benchmarks and the Sandra Unbuffered benchmarks. While the 8x425 FSB results show an increase in the Sandra Buffered benchmarks it is the Unbuffered benchmarks that are a better indicator of real-world performance for most applications.
Only the sheer CPU speed of the 9x415 FSB setting allows it do well in our CPU sensitive SuperPi and Battlefield 2 results. In the memory sensitive Quake 4 benchmark it finished behind the 8x425 FSB F7 results even though it retains a 335MHz CPU advantage, and it finishes last in the Sandra Unbuffered test. Our 8x450 FSB setting shows the best overall performance of the group. This is further indication that the memory performance of the P965 scales well once you exceed the threshold of the relaxed MCH timings after the switch in the memory controller strap settings.
Current Thoughts
Gigabyte has certainly improved the overclocking ability of the GA-965P-DS3 motherboard with the F7 BIOS. We had similar overclocking results with our X6800 CPU but unfortunately could not verify any improvements with the E6300 or E6400 processors. The reason why? It is the current 450FSB limitation with the Micron D9 based memory modules and the BIOS implementation on this motherboard. We have not witnessed this issue on Gigabyte's other motherboards in this series to date. While we have one set of Micron D9 based memory that will allow us to hit the 500FSB mark with our E6300 at a 1:1 memory ratio, all other D9 based modules in our labs fail to even POST on this board past the 460FSB range. We sincerely hope that Gigabyte rectifies this issue in short order as this one flaw really detracts from an otherwise superb motherboard for the price. Of course, if you are not into reaching the higher overclocks then this should issue should not be a concern.
Overall, we were very pleased with performance results of the new BIOS. We were afraid the overclocking improvements would come at the expense of memory performance or stability. However, Gigabyte figured out a way to improve overclocking through BIOS optimizations and has if anything improved stability at the higher FSB speeds in our testing. This is impressive to us, and hopefully the users of this board will also be impressed with the F7 BIOS.
Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 Performance Test Configuration |
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Processor: | Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.40GHz, 4MB Unified Cache) |
RAM: | Geil PC2-6400 800MHz Plus (2x1GB- GX22GB6400PDC), 2.30V (Micron Memory Chips) |
Hard Drive: | Seagate 320GB 7200RPM SATA2 16MB Buffer |
System Platform Drivers: | Intel - 8.1.1.1001 |
Video Cards: | 1 x MSI X1950XTX |
Video Drivers: | MSI/ATI Catalyst 6.10 |
CPU Cooling: | Scythe Infinity |
Power Supply: | OCZ GameXstream 700W |
Optical Drive: | Sony 18X AW-Q170A-B2 |
Case: | Cooler Master CM Stacker 830 |
Motherboards: | Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (Intel P965 C2) - BIOS F6 and F7E Beta |
Operating System: | Windows XP Professional SP2 |
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Test conditions are maintained the same, as much as possible, over the platforms tested except in our overclocked tests where the final overclocking capability of each BIOS is measured independently. Our game tests are run at a resolution of 1280x1024 with 4xAA and High Quality settings enabled. We feel like these settings and resolutions will provide accurate benchmark results for the typical user utilizing a high end video card with a mid-range processor. We utilize new drive images for each BIOS in order to minimize any potential conflicts. We run each benchmark five times, throw out the two low and high scores, and report the remaining (median) score.
Performance Test Results
We are utilizing an abbreviated set of benchmarks to show the impact of the overclocking improvements upon both memory performance and a couple of games. We will utilize SiSoft Sandra 2007 for the Buffered and Unbuffered memory scores; Everest Ultimate Edition for memory latency, and SuperPi 1.5 1M test for general reference. Our Quake game benchmark utilizes the IdNetDemo demo recording. This includes mainly outdoor areas with numerous players trying to eliminate each other. We tested the game with High Quality settings (uncompressed normal maps), and we enabled all the advanced graphics options except for VSync. This game is very sensitive to memory latency changes and is a good indicator of how memory settings can affect the performance of the game. Our Battlefield 2 benchmark utilizes our in-house recording based on the 1.3 release. This recording includes numerous players and vehicles battling it out on the Daqing Oilfield map. We tested the game with High Quality settings enabled. We have found this game to be sensitive to both CPU and GPU changes. Since our GPU remains constant we will see the effects of our FSB overclocking along with memory latency changes on the final score.
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In our memory synthetic tests we see the results at 9x385 FSB to be nearly the same between the F6 and F7 BIOS releases, indicating no real changes in the internal BIOS settings. The results at 8x425 FSB show a slight improvement across the board with a significant change in the memory latency. The game tests follow the same path with the differences being minor. This confirms what Gigabyte told us: they have further optimized the BIOS for overclocking without affecting the timings adversely.
However, we fully see the effects of the memory controller strap changing to 1333 from 1067 at the 401 FSB or higher settings. We see our 9x385 FSB settings being equal to or better than our 8x425 settings in our game benchmarks and the Sandra Unbuffered benchmarks. While the 8x425 FSB results show an increase in the Sandra Buffered benchmarks it is the Unbuffered benchmarks that are a better indicator of real-world performance for most applications.
Only the sheer CPU speed of the 9x415 FSB setting allows it do well in our CPU sensitive SuperPi and Battlefield 2 results. In the memory sensitive Quake 4 benchmark it finished behind the 8x425 FSB F7 results even though it retains a 335MHz CPU advantage, and it finishes last in the Sandra Unbuffered test. Our 8x450 FSB setting shows the best overall performance of the group. This is further indication that the memory performance of the P965 scales well once you exceed the threshold of the relaxed MCH timings after the switch in the memory controller strap settings.
Current Thoughts
Gigabyte has certainly improved the overclocking ability of the GA-965P-DS3 motherboard with the F7 BIOS. We had similar overclocking results with our X6800 CPU but unfortunately could not verify any improvements with the E6300 or E6400 processors. The reason why? It is the current 450FSB limitation with the Micron D9 based memory modules and the BIOS implementation on this motherboard. We have not witnessed this issue on Gigabyte's other motherboards in this series to date. While we have one set of Micron D9 based memory that will allow us to hit the 500FSB mark with our E6300 at a 1:1 memory ratio, all other D9 based modules in our labs fail to even POST on this board past the 460FSB range. We sincerely hope that Gigabyte rectifies this issue in short order as this one flaw really detracts from an otherwise superb motherboard for the price. Of course, if you are not into reaching the higher overclocks then this should issue should not be a concern.
Overall, we were very pleased with performance results of the new BIOS. We were afraid the overclocking improvements would come at the expense of memory performance or stability. However, Gigabyte figured out a way to improve overclocking through BIOS optimizations and has if anything improved stability at the higher FSB speeds in our testing. This is impressive to us, and hopefully the users of this board will also be impressed with the F7 BIOS.
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Zoomer - Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - link
Could someone list out the fsb speeds where the mch strap changes?khenderson - Friday, October 13, 2006 - link
I hope this isn't OT, but I'm looking to build a system around the S3 version of this board. My goal is a slightly less poweful (and cheaper) PC than is suggested in this guide. BTW, if this is your goal as well, Jarred Walton has offered some excellent adivce in his midrange and high-end buyers guides (found under anandtech's Guide tab). Anyway, I've pretty much made up my mind on everything except the memory:GA-965P-S3
E6400 (base 2.13Ghz)
1900XT 256MB
Also...
I want to use the stock CPU fan.
My overclocking goals are only moderate: I'll be happy to reach 2.9-3.2 with CPU.
I am not concerned with leaving room for future upgrades.
I know I want 2gigs of system ram.
Assuming a 1:1 ratio and only moderate overclocking goals, that would put the FSB at a max around 400 (400X8=3.2CPU). With this in mind, perhaps I could get away with Corsair/OCZ DDR-800 instead of the DDR-1000 modules referred to in the guide?
Specifically, I'm ready to pull the trigger on CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 with 5-5-5-12 timings going right now for about $230. I'm not sure if these sticks suffer from the Micron D9 issue or if that issue even applies when the overclocking is mild. I'm not very aware of how much overclocking these sticks allow, but it doesn't seem like I'd push them hard. All things considered, from a bang-for-the-buck perspective, are these moduales a good choice? Would it be worth the performance gain to seek out sticks with 4-4-4 timings?
Recommendations and advice is greatly appreciated!
Jodiuh - Friday, October 13, 2006 - link
Cleared CMOS, flashed to F7, cleared CMOS, configured BIOS, booted to windows w/ no sound. Good times, lol!Gary Key - Friday, October 13, 2006 - link
Download the bios again today from Gigabyte and reflash. If I understood the text message this morning they replaced the bios with a X-FI friendly F7 version last night. If not, PM me with your email address and I will see if I can get a fix over the weekend.
AdamK47 3DS - Friday, October 13, 2006 - link
I'm going to wait until someone posts on here that they did indeed change the BIOS. Otherwise I'm sticking with F5.AdamK47 3DS - Monday, October 16, 2006 - link
I've decided to take the plunge and reupgrade to F7. There is another workaround for the X-Fi issue posted http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Ga-965P-DQ...">here.AdamK47 3DS - Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - link
The constant X-Fi redetection is why I went back to the F5 BIOS. I'm very glad to hear that the new F7 BIOS fixes this annoying issue.AdamK47 3DS - Wednesday, October 11, 2006 - link
I downloaded F7 from the Gigabyte website. I tried it out just recently. During the many times I've rebooted my PC to try out various setting my X-Fi was redetected twice and not detected at all once, so I had the lovely PC speaker for sound. I'm going back to F5... again. Two strikes so far for Gigabyte.Gary Key - Thursday, October 12, 2006 - link
I am testing the final release tonight. I found F7E beta to be very good, my opinion on the final F7 is up for debate now. However, in regards to the X-FI issue with the official F7, did you remove the drivers completely, remove the card, and then reboot into Windows, shutdown, reinstall the card, and then reinstall the drivers? The first F7 beta I received required this operation, the second one did not.aldamon - Thursday, October 12, 2006 - link
Gary, have they explained the why the X-Fi is being lost in the first place? What did they break that isn't broken in F4?