MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming Review
by Ian Cutress on April 18, 2013 12:00 PM EST- Posted in
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MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming In The Box
Products aimed at the gaming crowd are draped in PR and have to be visually striking. Along with this should be a sense that the gamer is being looked after, and that they are getting more for their money, in terms of features and support. So when you offer access to specific forums and support admins when something goes wrong, that is great – but also there is an element of camaraderie for competitions between other brands. Part of the way to gain this mindset is to give more stuff to the user, either free or with what they purchase. As part of a gaming product, I would want extras themed in the overall style, but not too cheesy.
In the Z77A-GD65 Gaming, we have:
User Guide
Installation Guide
Driver CD
MSI Gaming Door Sign
Four SATA Cables
Rear IO Shield
Flexi-SLI Connector
Voltage Read-point attachments
M-Connectors
Even though we are dealing with a sub $200 motherboard, the kit in the GD65 Gaming is incredibly light. By virtue of not having an extra USB 3.0 port on board we do not get an extra USB 3.0 panel included, like on the Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H. Back in the review of the UD5H I criticized it for not having a rigid SLI connector, and I could say the same for the MSI here, but various MSI GPUs have heatpipes that block rigid connectors, so a flexi-connector makes sense.
MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming Overclocking
Note: Ivy Bridge does not overclock like Sandy Bridge. For a detailed report on the effect of voltage on Ivy Bridge (and thus temperatures and power draw), please read Undervolting and Overclocking on Ivy Bridge.
Experience with MSI Z77A-GD65 Gaming
The MSI overclocking experience is always a little odd. As a general rule they have one automatic setting (which either does or does not work) and the manual settings are either a gamble in the OS or a mire in the BIOS. The GD65-Gaming fits into this rule, and I have a feeling that all MSI motherboards will fit into this rule until the BIOS is organized or more automatic overclocking options are offered. ASUS offers 3-4, Gigabyte offer 3-4, ASRock offers 6-10, MSI offers one – that is a big discrepancy.
Our overclocking experience with the Gaming was a little crazy. For various reasons we are using a new i7-3770K CPU, and the performance of this CPU seems to be very poor, failing to hit even 4.5 GHz on the Z77A-GD65 Gaming. This could be either CPU or BIOS issues. Nevertheless, our overclocking experiences are detailed below.
Methodology:
Our standard overclocking methodology is as follows. We select the automatic overclock options and test for stability with PovRay and OCCT to simulate high-end workloads. These stability tests aim to catch any immediate causes for memory or CPU errors.
For manual overclocks, based on the information gathered from previous testing, starts off at a nominal voltage and CPU multiplier, and the multiplier is increased until the stability tests are failed. The CPU voltage is increased gradually until the stability tests are passed, and the process repeated until the motherboard reduces the multiplier automatically (due to safety protocol) or the CPU temperature reaches a stupidly high level (100ºC+). Our test bed is not in a case, which should push overclocks higher with fresher (cooler) air.
Automatic Overclock:
Automatic overclock options come from OC Genie, which is enabled either via the Control Center (in OS), in the BIOS (OC Genie mode), or phyiscally with the button. Unfortunately each one provides different results.
The OC Genie via Control Center method applied a 4.2 GHz overclock on all cores as well as jumping the memory to XMP but back a strap (2133 instead of 2400). In this mode we recorded a load voltage of 1.256 volts in the OS, a peak temperature of 81C during OCCT and a score of 1530.96 in PovRay.
The OC Genie Mode via the BIOS was fairly basic, applying only MultiCore Turbo (39x on all cores), and did not touch the memory. This gave a load voltage of 1.256 volts, a peak temperature of 75C during OCCT and a score of 1421.96 in PovRay.
The last method, physically depressing the button, reacted similarly to the Control Center method, giving a 4.2 GHz overclock on all cores and a memory bump. Load voltage was registered as 1.248 volts, giving a peak temperature of 83C and a score of 1535.10 in PovRay.
Manual Overclock:
Here's where things get a little interesting. For various reasons, we are using an untested, different 3770K CPU to previous reviews. Normally I would start this testing at 4.4 GHz and 1.1 volts, something the three 3770K CPUs that have crossed my path (only one for reviewing) over the past 12 months have all done. In a real world situation explaining how varied CPUs are, this CPU, in the GD65 Gaming, behaved very different. In fact, we had to start at 4.0 GHz at 1.1 volts, then perform our normal testing. The results are as follows.
For 4.0 GHz (40x100), we needed 1.100 volts in the BIOS which gave 1.088 volts at load. OCCT gave 62C and PovRay scored 1465.55.
For 4.1 GHz (41x100), we needed 1.125 volts in the BIOS which gave 1.112 volts at load. OCCT gave 66C and PovRay scored 1497.88.
For 4.2 GHz (42x100), we needed 1.175 volts in the BIOS which gave 1.160 volts at load. OCCT gave 68C and PovRay scored 1527.51.
For 4.3 GHz (43x100), we needed 1.225 volts in the BIOS which gave 1.216 volts at load. OCCT gave 70C and PovRay scored 1575.73.
For 4.4 GHz (44x100), we needed 1.300 volts in the BIOS which gave 1.288 volts at load. OCCT gave 81C and PovRay scored 1603.28.
4.5 GHz was not stable - at 1.325 volts the CPU was reaching 95C during PovRay, getting very hot very quickly. I was unwilling to push it any further.
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jabber - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
Yes a shame about those unwanted video ports. Just more unnecessary circuit traces on a very busy board.iamkyle - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
I'm still waiting for a manufacturer to come out with an E-ATX or XL-ATX motherboard that sacrifices the onboard junk - audio, LAN, etc and just gives me the bare essentials. Just give me USB ports and let me build the rest.With those motherboard form factors, there is PLENTY of room for 'enthusiasts' to use 3 or 4-way SLI or CF setups and STILL use a premium sound card or NIC of their choice. TRUE customizability, TRUE choice.
jabber - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
Yes I've always wanted a motherboard that really strips away everything an enthusiast wouldn't want. I'm pretty sure with less crap on the board it would have less noise and the traces could be shortened and widened improving stability and OC potential.TaylorSandler - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
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dawp - Friday, April 19, 2013 - link
why can't we flag spammers?whyso - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
Why are POST times so long on desktop boards. For laptops its generally less than five seconds.Death666Angel - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
Because desktop boards typically include a bunch more extra hardware (USB chips, SATA chips, bigger BIOS, more memory modules etc.) and all that takes time to initialize. Laptop motherboards on the other hand are usually pretty bare bones utilizing only chipset features and not much more, the BIOS is also fairly locked down and offers only basic customization and the builder knows what will be included in the built so there is no need to search for a lot of stuff that might be installed, which shaves off even more time.IanCutress - Friday, April 19, 2013 - link
Usually due to initialisation processes. I test POST with two GPUs under Win7, and each GPU adds some time. There's also more fan controllers, headers, ports, and all the stuff connected to the chipset that you don't get in a laptop, hence the big discrepancy in time. Death Angel covers it ^^^TGressus - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
I've always liked the look of the Tantalum capacitors MSI uses. They should switch the remaining SMD caps out, blacken the silk screening, lead and solder.It would take extreme aesthetic to offset MSI BIOS. :(
Quizzical - Thursday, April 18, 2013 - link
"gaming WiFi" is an oxymoron, so I don't think you can reasonably fault MSI for not including it.If the GD65 is the flagship of MSI's "gaming" line and the rest have numbers that normally correspond to MSI's lower end motherboards, then they may well be taking the approach of saying, let's include the stuff that gamers need and not so much else, rather than spending the money for worthless junk like a Thunderbolt port.
There are plenty of people who want to build a gaming rig with a sub-$100 motherboard for budget reasons, though on such a budget, you're probably looking at an AMD CPU. A motherboard that offers everything that has a plausible gaming use and not much else could have a useful niche.
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