Mobile and Transportable Processors

AMD has been trailing in the mobile performance per Watt competition ever since Intel launched the Pentium M. While they have announced a name change to their Mobile Athlon 64 lineup, they still appear to be using a low power Athlon 64 derivative as opposed to something designed from the ground up for the mobile sector. The good news is that AMD's base designs are generally far less power hungry than Intel's Pentium 4, so a separate design isn't really required. Like Intel, AMD has three categories of mobile processors. First are the DTR models which are essentially just desktop parts put into a laptop, although they may run with slightly lower voltage requirements. The next level up the mobility scale is referred to as Transportable, and the power requirements are 62W or less. Finally, the true Mobile parts are classified as either 35W or 25W parts, with the 25W targeting the Thin and Light category of notebooks. The DTR processors can basically be any of the regular desktop parts, so we'll skip that segment and start with the Transportable chips.

AMD Transportable Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
Athlon 64 4000+ Newark 2.6 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
Athlon 64 3700+ Newark 2.4 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Athlon 64 3400+ Newark 2.2 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Athlon 64 3200+ Newark 2.0 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Athlon 64 3000+ Newark 1.8 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
Sempron 3600+ Albany 2.2 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q1'06
Sempron 3400+ Albany 2.0 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3300+ Albany 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3300+ Georgetown 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 3100+ Albany 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3100+ Georgetown 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 3000+ Albany 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3000+ Dublin/Georgetown 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2800+ Dublin/Georgetown 1.6 GHz 256K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2600+ Dublin/Georgetown 1.6 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now

At the high end of the Transportable segment are the Athlon 64 Mobile parts. All of these parts feature 1MB of L2 cache, and most have been available for some time. AMD has recently transitioned from the older 130nm Odessa core - basically a lower power version of the Clawhammer - to the 90nm SOI Newark core. The only new Mobile Athlon 64 part is the 4000+, which runs at the same clock speed as the FX-55 processor but only supports single channel memory. As virtually any socket 754 board should have no trouble supporting these mobile variants, 754 owners looking to upgrade for additional CPU performance might be interested in checking out these parts. The price is generally a bit higher, and a switch to socket 939 is probably the better course of action if you can manage it, but a change from the 1.8 GHz 512K 2800+ to the 4000+ would provide a substantial boost to performance.

The Mobile Sempron is also undergoing a change from the older Georgetown core to the new Albany core (and before Georgetown was the Dublin core). You might still see some of the older core versions out there, but the Albany core is the preferred model, as the 90nm SOI provides much better power and thermal characteristics. While the desktop Sempron parts are slated to get 64-bit support, the mobile parts will remain 32-bit only for the time being. To quote the roadmap, "AMD will introduce 64-bit enabled Mobile AMD Sempron only when it makes sense for our value notebook customers." In other words, most value notebooks ship with lower end components, so 64-bit addressing isn't going to be terribly important for a laptop with 256 or 512 MB of RAM.

In the future, the Mobile platform will also transition to DDR2 support, only the thin and light notebooks will use socket S1 rather than socket M2. S1 appears to mostly be targeting a smaller package size, as it will also be a dual-channel DDR2 platform with support for the security and virtualization enhancements. Two code names appear on the roadmap for S1 parts, the Taylor core will be a dual core Turion 64 processor with security and virtualization support while the Keene will be a single core part without Pacifica and Presidio technologies. For the full size notebooks and desktop replacements (DTR), M2 will be used and the Trinidad core bears the Mobile Athlon 64 moniker with specs identical to Windsor - though cache sizes could differ, we admit. That means dual core, dual-channel DDR2, and security plus virtualization technologies. A Mobile Sempron part based off of the Richmond core drops the virtualization support and runs on a single core. All of these DDR2 mobile parts are scheduled for a Q1'06 release. Having mentioned the Taylor core and Turion 64 brings us to the next group of mobile processors.

AMD Turion 64 Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
MT-44 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 1MB Socket 754 ???
ML-44 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q4'05
MT-42 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 512K Socket 754 Q1'06
ML-42 Lancaster 2.4 GHz 512K Socket 754 Q3'05
MT-40 Lancaster 2.2 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
ML-40 Lancaster 2.2 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
MT-37 Lancaster 2.0 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Q3'05
ML-37 Lancaster 2.0 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
MT-34 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
ML-34 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
MT-32 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 512K Socket 754 Now
ML-32 Lancaster 1.8 GHz 512K Socket 754 Now
MT-30 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
ML-30 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 1MB Socket 754 Now
MT-28 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 512K Socket 754 ???
ML-28 Lancaster 1.6 GHz 512K Socket 754 ???

We had a small article on the Turion 64 Launch, but there hasn't been a lot to say since then. OEMs haven't been quick to jump on the Turion bandwagon, though there are laptops with the processor available now. The Turion naming scheme is similar to that of the Opteron in that a two digit model indicates relative performance, with higher numbers being better. The second letter indicates suitability for mobile use, with "A" being less suitable and "Z" being ideal. On present models there are only two letters used, L and T, and they correlate to the typical maximum power requirements. "T" models have a maximum TDP of 25W while the "L" models have a maximum TDP of 35W. While both are higher than the 22W rating of Pentium M parts, the T variants ought to perform similarly with Cool n' Quiet enabled. As you can see in the table, the number designation at present is the same for similarly clocked Turion chips, though the T models (model Ts?) will cost more.

All of the Turion parts currently use the Lancaster core, which is a 1MB socket 754 part made on 90nm SOI. As we mentioned before, dual core Turion parts made with the Taylor core will move to socket S1 in mid 2006, competing against the dual core Yonah parts from Intel. Which part will actually be better is anyone's guess right now, as we expect both platforms to offer several improvements over current mobile parts. The one advantage that AMD does have is 64-bit support - we haven't heard anything about Yonah support EM64T yet, so we would guess that initial shipments will remain 32-bit. With Longhorn also scheduled to ship in 2006, the move to 64-bit applications may finally pick up steam in the mainstream market. Turion isn't the only low power processor AMD has, though, so let's take a look at the Thin and Light Sempron parts.

AMD Low Power Mobile Sempron Roadmap
Processor Core Name Clock Speed Socket Launch Date
Sempron 3400+ Roma 2.0 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q1'06
Sempron 3300+ Roma 2.0 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3100+ Roma 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3100+ Sonora 1.8 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3000+ Roma 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 3000+ Sonora 1.8 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2800+ Roma 1.6 GHz 256K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 2800+ Dublin/Sonora 1.6 GHz 256K Socket 754 Now
Sempron 2600+ Roma 1.6 GHz 128K Socket 754 Q3'05
Sempron 2600+ Dublin 1.6 GHz 128K Socket 754 Now

All of the Thin and Light Semprons have a TDP of 25W, the same as the Turion MT chips. They also run on socket 754, like the Turion, though future parts will move to S1. Previous Mobile Sempron chips have used the Dublin and Sonora cores - mobile variants of the Newcastle and Paris desktop cores, respectively. The interesting thing is that the earlier Dublin-based Mobile Semprons used to bear the Athlon XP name, even though they were Athlon 64 derivatives since they ran on socket 754. AMD is now switching to the Roma core, which is the Mobile version of the Palermo core. It adds SSE3 support to the design, among other small tweaks. Most of the Roma chips should be available shortly, with the only new model being the Sempron 3400+ scheduled for early 2006.

There are a lot of overlapping code names and models in AMD's mobile sector, and to be honest we're not exactly sure what differences - if any - exist between the Turion Lancaster and the Mobile Athlon 64 Newark. They may be identical with the difference being binning, or there may be some small architectural tweaks that separate them. The same holds for the Albany vs. Roma and Georgetown vs. Sonora comparisons. But enough about mobile chips; let's get on to the last sector.

The Desktop Opterons and Final Thoughts
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  • Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link

    Use the REPLY button.
  • JarredWalton - Saturday, August 6, 2005 - link

    The new threaded view for comments came into effect after this was posted. Look at the date of the post. Older articles are going to have odd looking comments, but that's the price of progress.
  • tygrus - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    DD3 (2007/8) can use the same FB-DIMM interface as DD2 FB-DIMM's. That may be OK for servers but the first desktops with DDR2 not use the FB-DIMM interface. FB-DIMM interface still has a few performance limiations per channel. Eletrical and frequency may change in future versions for DDR3.

    AMD really need a move on if they don't wont to be steam-rolled by Intel. Intel are not going to sit idly by and leave AMD with a performance lead. It's too slow to wait for AMD to make the changes and wait for new technology. Waiting for mid-2006 for DDR2 is too slow when slower DDR2 is hitting price prity with DDR. By Q1-2006, DDR1 will be more expensive than todays prices and faster DDR2 wil be cheaper than DDR1, Intel will have faster/cooler 65nm CPU's and AMD will still have a very slow trickly of faster CPU's until their 65nm. It's only been about 400MHz increase per year for the last 2.5 years. I want 200MHz+ every quarter.
  • johnsonx - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    Also, let's not forget that town from the Jackass bit:

    Mianus

    (pronounced 'My Anus'... don't recall what state it's in)
  • johnsonx - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    There's a small town in Minnesota that would make a perfect name for AMD's next CPU:

    Nimrod
  • yacoub - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    Man, what's gonna happen when they run out of cool city/town names?? :(
  • lsman - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    #11 DDR3 in 2007 = another socket.
  • Griswold - Friday, August 5, 2005 - link

    Oh boy, just Reply to the post you're refering to instead of using the old numbers, that dont even exist anymore. Get over it, this is how comments will be from now on.
  • PrinceGaz - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    #12- thanks for that, they've got the new lower-clocked X2 listed :)

    Athlon 64 X2 3800+ - 2.0 GHz, Manchester (2x512K L2), due Aug 2005.

    Unfortunately there isn't a Toledo 2.0 GHz part (which would be the X2 4000+), but that makes sense as they don't want to sell an expensive to manufacture part at a low price.

    The X2 3800+ isn't for me as I want the larger cache, so I'm not going to delay going for a X2 4400+ now (I was going to wait and see what the new part was). Thanks again for the link :)
  • coomar - Friday, July 22, 2005 - link

    hasn't a lot of this information been known for a while

    the roadmap for a64's:
    http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/

    has had this for the last 4-6 months

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