Debunking Power Supply Myths
by Christoph Katzer on September 22, 2008 3:00 AM EST- Posted in
- Cases/Cooling/PSUs
Connectors and the 12V Rail Issue
Okay, we've chosen a few power supplies for our three test systems, but so far we've only looked at performance. There are still two additional issues that can affect your choice of power supply. We have previously shown that it is possible to run even high-end systems with a much lower rated power supply than you might expect. However, look at the offerings from the various manufacturers and you will frequently find that there are insufficient connectors for some configurations. The second issue involves the 12V rail(s), which is primarily responsible for powering the processor and graphics card(s).
Let's start with the first issue: having enough connectors. It is certainly possible to run a GeForce 8800 Ultra using only a 400W power supply; however, no one makes a 400W PSU with the necessary two PEG connectors. In fact, some power supplies in this range might not even have a single PEG connection. You could always use a Molex to PEG adapter(s), but you're probably better off selecting a different power supply.
Our entry-level system used the ATI Radeon HD 3650, which is a nice choice because it doesn't require any PEG connector. In the future users might want to upgrade graphics cards, however. The good news is that all of the entry-level PSUs be selected include a single 6-pin PEG connector, so they should be sufficient for powering up to a midrange (8800 GT/HD 3850) graphics card. If all you need is an average computer system, these power supplies will work fine.
The second issue is the amount of power the unit needs to provide in order to port graphics cards that use a single 6-pin jack. We could have included more cards, but for this example we've selected ATI's HD 3850/70 and NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GTS and 9600 GT. We've created a table showing how much power these cards consume and where this power comes from under full load.
| GPU Power Requirements by Connector | |||||
| Vendor and Chip | Through 6-pin Jack |
Through PCI-E Slot |
Total Power | ||
| ATI Radeon HD 3850 | 4.4A | 52.8W | 2.4A | 28.8W | 82W |
| ATI Radeon HD 3870 | 5.1A | 61.2W | 2.6A | 31.2W | 92W |
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NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
|
7.2A | 86.4W | 4.8A | 57.6W | 144W |
| NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT | 4.9A | 58.8W | 4.0A | 48.0W | 107W |
We need to check if the power supplies come with either one or two 12V rails. PSUs with two 12V rails usually have one rail connected to the 6-pin PEG connector and the other running the 24-pin ATX connector. The 24-pin ATX connector has two yellow cables that supply 12V, and both of these cables supply the PCI-E slots with power. The increasing power requirements of modern GPUs was the driving force behind the switch from 20-pin ATX connectors to 24-pin connectors. Some power supply manufacturers include different color markings on the 12V cables to differentiate rails, so if you have such a power supply you should make sure you connect components to a rail that has sufficient remaining juice.
It's important to have one 12V rail supply the CPU with power and the second rail for the PCI-E slots and 6-pin connector. Unfortunately, many companies make a tremendous mistake when it comes to power distribution. We have seen several power supplies that use one 12V rail for the 6-pin PEG connector and then a second 12V rail for the CPU and 24-pin ATX connector. That means if you have a graphics card that doesn't include a 6-pin jack, both the CPU and GPU will use the same 12V rail for power. In this case, the second 12V rail goes completely unused, and users risk drawing too much current on the remaining 12V rail. In addition, how much power a GPU draws from the 6-pin connector and how much it takes from the PEG slot varies.
Checking the labels of the entry-level units, we see that our selected power supplies should all have no difficulty running any of the above GPUs. Power supplies like the Corsair VX450W that has a single 12V rail have the advantage of being able to fully utilize the rated 33A.
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computerfarmer - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - link
Good article! Based on the number of comments, this has many of us thinking. This gives a way of figuring out our needs vs bigger is better.This article gives us enough information to make educated choices. Looking at the 12V rails is a good place to start along with total power. With a single 12V rail like Corsair VX series, the amount each rail carries is a non issue.
A rule I have always followed is to use a power supply with at least 20% more power than the maximum required.
dragosmp - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - link
Hey, I just wanted to say that after posting this link on OCN, there were tenths of replies. People want to know how much various things consume, as all this 1kW PSU hype hype is getting very tiresome.I for one would be curious how did you measure the current thru the PCIe slot - have you modified the slot to access the power lines? Soldering geeks would really like to know :)
And lastly, browser compatibility. This comment is very hard to write in Chrome (writing overlapping), maybe you or google will fix this.
Cheers,
Dragosmp
Fudus - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - link
I am stupid and run my 4850 off a 300W power supply, with a sata power>molex>pci-E power connection. Go Go overloading!It seems to work at stock speeds under stress as well for some reason. I really didn't expect it to work this well (C2D e6550, Radeon 4850,300W power supply, 2GB RAm, G33 motherboard, 1 HD/DVD+RW)
marc1000 - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - link
you are not stupid, Fudus. if you sum the power for your c2d (never more than 65w), mobo (40w), ram+HD+DVD (5+15+10) you have 135w. then add the 4850 and you are still fine with a 300w PSU. Like i Said before, I have a 90W CPU (that old Pentium-D, argh!) but run a radeon 3850, so my system consumes about the same energy as yours. and the 300w is working fine with me too. or else I would be a stupid too =Pdragosmp - Tuesday, September 23, 2008 - link
Wow, this gives me hopes to mount a 4670 on a 120W pico-atx powered rig.How is the noise, the +12V level?
oopyseohs - Monday, September 22, 2008 - link
I have seen upwards of 700W while testing on old QuadFX systems with 8800Ultra SLI. I would imagine that Skulltrail overclocked to 4.0GHz (easy) and 2x Radeon HD4870X2's in CrossFireX would demand significantly more than 700W. Of course these systems are rare, but they do technically validate the "need" for power supplies that output 1000W+.In any case, thanks for this article. I think it does a great job of showing why ultra high-output power supplies are not even close to necessary for 99.9% of the computing world.
JarredWalton - Monday, September 22, 2008 - link
I have a Q6600 @ 3.42GHz with dual 3870 cards, and that peaks at around 650W at the outlet. Certainly there are plenty of overclocked PCs that can draw more than 700W... but once you take efficiency into account, my PC is only really using around 520W. I've also tested high-end water-cooled setups with 8800 GTX SLI that topped out at 650-700W power draw as well. I personally think with ultra high-end PSUs that having six 12V rails isn't very useful as well - some of the problems people experience with lesser PSUs simply comes from 12V rail distribution.If you're running dual GTX 280 cards and a quad-core (probably overclocked) CPU, I don't think there's anything wrong with 1000W PSUs. In fact, I know Gary has blown a few 1000W PSUs with his overclocking testing in the past. However, I'm running perfectly happy now with a 3.2GHz quad-core and really don't need even that much CPU performance; it's all about the GPU for games, and CPUs are only really taxed in 3D rendering and video encoding it seems.
Griswold - Monday, September 22, 2008 - link
Now that you made that clear, give us some of your great reviews for reasonably dimensioned PSUs instead of these 600-1000W bricks. :Pwhatthehey - Monday, September 22, 2008 - link
Maybe it's just me, but I sort of got the impression that the reason for this article is precisely that Anandtech is tired of only getting the highest-end power supplies for testing. It's all marketing BS of course: they don't want to limit sales of the $300 1000W PSUs so they only send those out for testing.Or maybe the truth is more nefarious: they figure if they send out a top-quality 1000W PSU that has great efficiency and voltage regulation, unsuspecting buyers will buy their lower wattage parts that might not be all that great? The first is more likely, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of the less expensive 400-500W PSUs (even from major brands) use much cheaper components. Which is why we all want to see them tested, and probably also why the companies don't want to send them out for review.
Martimus - Monday, September 22, 2008 - link
Since this article is about choosing a PSU for a new computer build, it would have been nice to include new components like the P45 chipset, or the new nVidia or AMD graphics cards. I started reading it with the hope of knowing how well the Antec Earthwatts 500W PSU that came with the Sonata III case I bought would be do with various build options. The problem was that with only old equipment being used, I couldn't come to any real conclusion. It seemed to read more like a report to prove a point rather than an actual guide written to help with a new computer build. I am not trying to berate the article, but I just don't see the point of it.