Intel X25-V in RAID-0: Faster than X25-M G2 for $250?
by Anand Lal Shimpi on March 29, 2010 8:59 PM ESTFinal Words
While I can't say that I like the idea of giving up TRIM support, the performance you get out of a pair of X25-Vs in RAID 0 is impressive. You effectively get next-generation controller performance out of a tweaked version of a 2 year old SSD. The lack of TRIM does bother me, but I personally use an X25-M G2 under OS X without TRIM and the drive is resilient enough (most of the time) to not make me feel any performance degradation.
Given the price point and the well behaved nature of these drives, I'd say it's definitely worth your consideration. If you like the simplicity of a single drive setup or want to hang on to TRIM support (perhaps if you do know your workload is more random than normal), by all means go for a single G2 or one of the SandForce offerings. However, if you're fine dealing with a potentially more complex setup (if one of your X25-Vs dies, you lose all your data) and don't mind giving up TRIM, this is a great option. The X25-V RAID 0 route gives you all of the Intel SSD safety net while posting some very competitive numbers. At $250 it may be the best overall performance you get out of an SSD at this price point until Intel's 3rd generation drives ship in Q4.
It's high performance on a budget, not without its tradeoffs, but in this case they may be livable.
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7Enigma - Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - link
So then why doesn't the major players offer this type of tool that works in the background? You'd have a little background task that once a week @ 2am does this when it detects no disk activity and TRIM wouldn't be important except in very rare circumstances where the drive gets no downtime (say server). Just like an unobtrusive virus scan or more apt a SSD defrag!?I have an G2 Intel 80gig and even though I have the latest firmware that supposedly TRIM's on it's own I once a month use the little toolbox utility to manually TRIM. It would be very nice if they offered a program like this to the G1 owners that they basically slapped in the face....
This is along the same lines as GPUTool. For my 4870 which runs hot at idle for no reason I can drop down 40-80 watts just by downclocking and yet it takes a 3rd party to offer this?
Bolas - Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - link
I thought TRIM was enabled for RAID now, due to a new firmware patch to the Intel chipset?!? Wouldn't that entirely change the outcome of this article?WC Annihilus - Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - link
No. As per Makaveli's reply to GDM, the new Intel drivers do NOT enable TRIM for RAID. They only allow pass through to SSDs not in an array, ie single SSD + RAID hard drives, TRIM now makes it to the SSDRoomraider - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - link
New Intel chipset drivers do in fact enable trim only with raid-o array in windows 7. Read the documentation properly. It says any trim enabled SSD in Raid -0 only with Windows 7.jed22281 - Friday, April 2, 2010 - link
"New Intel chipset drivers do in fact enable trim only with raid-o array in windows 7. Read the documentation properly. It says any trim enabled SSD in Raid -0 only with Windows 7. "Where's this doco?
Thank-you very much.
Roomraider - Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - link
You my friend are absolutely correct. My read trippled my write more than doubled with 2xM 160 g2'. With trim verified enabled & working.AnalyticalGuy2 - Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - link
Great points and questions GullLars!! Don't give up!!
What about the possible merits of keeping the drives independent? At the very least, you get to keep Trim. And maybe there is an advantage to having 2 independent data paths leading to the drives? Or to having 2 independent controllers?
My goal is to minimize the time it takes to: boot Windows 7, allow the anti-virus to scan startup files and download updates, and load several applications into RAM.
Question: Would this be faster with:
A) One Intel 160GB G2 SSD (by the way, a 10-channel controller, right?)
B) Two independent (i.e., no RAID involved) Intel 80GB G2 SSDs -- One for Win 7 and the other for anti-virus and applications? (by the way, each SSD has a 10-channel controller, for a total of 20 channels?)
GullLars - Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - link
B would be faster, since each of the drives can then work independently in parallell. If you do something that hits both drives to read sequentially at the same time, you get 400+ MB/s read.A guy on a forum i frequent tried using W7 software RAID in hope of getting TRIM on Intel SSDs, it didn't work. Performance was comparable to ICH10R RAID.
I would still reccomend using the two x25-M 80GB in RAID over your option B, since then you always get the doubling of sequential performance. Write degradation whitout TRIM is not a problem in most realistic cases when you're RAIDing, and you likely won't notice anything. If you should notice anything, writing a large file to all free space untill you have written 2-3x of the capasity will likely restore the performance to simelar levels as fresh. You can also increase the spare area a bit and greatly reduce the impact of random writes on performance. I would consider partitioning 2x x25-M 80GB to 140GiB if you anticipate a lot of random writes and few sequential, or just is afraid of performance degradation.
Beanwar - Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - link
Anand, have you considered using Windows software RAID on two of these drives? If you're not using the hardware RAID, you should be able to pass TRIM commands to the drives, and given that even the newest applications out there aren't going to be sending all CPU cores to 100%, it's not like the overhead is going to be all that bad. Just a thought.xyxer - Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - link
Don't intel rapid storage 9.6.0.1014 support TRIM ? http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/cpu/intel-chip...