Performance Expectations

In their presentation and FAQ, NVIDIA provided estimates of performance relative to Ivy Bridge Core i5 ULV with HD 4000. Before we get to those numbers, we want to quickly set the stage for what NVIDIA is showing. Despite the similarity in name and features, as we discovered last year the ULV chips tend to run into TDP limits when you’re trying to hit both the CPU and the iGPU. The CPU cores for instance can use around 12-15W and a full load on the iGPU can create another 10-15W; stuff both into a 17W TDP and you’re going to get throttling, which is exactly what happens.

Looking at HD 4000 performance with Core i5 ULV and Core i7 quad-core, you can see that the quad-core part is anywhere from 0% to around 60% faster. On average it’s 35% faster at our 2012 “Value” settings and 26% faster at our 2012 “Mainstream” settings. As for the 700M performance relative to Core i5 ULV, NVIDIA provides the following estimates based on benchmarks at moderate detail and 1366x768 in Battlefield 3, Crysis 2, Just Cause 2, DiRT 3, and F1 2011:

Besides the above slide, NVIDIA provided some performance estimates using results from the 3DMark 11 Performance benchmark, and the results are even more heavily in favor of NVIDIA. In their FAQ, NVIDIA states that even the lowly GeForce 710M is three times faster than ULV HD 4000, while the GT 720M is 3.3x faster, GT 730M and 735M are 4.8X faster (hmmm…do we really need GT 735M?), GT 740M is 5.3X faster, GT 745M is 5.8x faster, and GT 750M is 6.3x faster. Of course, those number are from NVIDIA, going up against the much slower ULV variant of Ivy Bridge, and using 3DMark 11—which isn’t quite as important as actual gaming performance.

I suspect the GT3 and GT3e configurations of Haswell will be substantially faster than IVB’s HD 4000 and may come close to the lower end of NVIDIA’s range…at least on the standard voltage Haswell chips. For ULV, I’ve heard a performance estimates that GT3 Haswell will be 30%-50% faster than GT2 IVB, and GT3e could be roughly twice as fast, but that should still leave NVIDIA with a healthy lead. Anyway, we’d suggest taking all of these numbers with a grain of salt for now. The real comparison for most is going to be Haswell and 700M, and while we have a pretty good idea where 700M and HD 4000 performance fall (since the 700M parts are Kepler and Fermi updates), Haswell’s iGPU is likely to be a different beast.

Closing Thoughts

On the whole, Kepler has been amazingly successful for NVIDIA, particularly in the mobile world. The bar for midrange mobile dGPUs was raised significantly with the GT 640M LE and above parts typically offering anywhere from 25% to 75% better performance than the previous generation, and that was accomplished along with reducing power use. It was NVIDIA’s version of Intel’s Core 2 launch, and the vast majority of notebooks with dGPUs seem to be using NVIDIA hardware these days. Much of that can also be attributed to NVIDIA’s driver team, where Optimus support and usability still trumps AMD’s Enduro alternative. AMD is still working to improve their drivers, but they're still not at the same level as NVIDIA's mobile drivers.

Not surprisingly, it looks like every laptop with an NVIDIA dGPU these days also comes with Optimus support, and NVIDIA says they’ll be in three times as many Ultrabooks and ultraportables in 2013 compared to 2012—which isn’t too hard, since off the top of my head the only two Ultrabooks with NVIDIA dGPUs I can name are the Acer M5 and the ASUS UX32VD. NVIDIA also says they have over 30 design wins for touchscreen laptops, but again considering Windows 8 almost requires a touchscreen to really be useful that’s expected. We will likely see a limited number of laptops launching with Ivy Bridge CPUs and 700M dGPUs over the coming weeks, with ASUS specifically listed in NVIDIA’s 700M FAQ with their X450 (GT 740M) and N46 (GT 740M as well); Lenovo is also a launch day partner with several options: Y400 with GT 750M, and Z400/Z500 with GT 740M.

The real launch is likely to coincide with Intel’s Haswell update later in Q2 2013. When that comes along, we're likely to see some additional 700M updates from NVIDIA on the high end (again, echoing what happened with the 600M and 680M launches). Just don't count on seeing a mobile variant of Titan/GK110 for a while yet; I'd peg that level of performance as something we won't see in laptops until we have two more process shrinks under our belts (i.e. when TSMC is at 16nm).

GeForce 700M Models and Specifications
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  • kyuu - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    Haven't you heard? Windows 8's desktop is apparently unusable, you are forced into the Start screen for everything. And, it's really, really hard to click the tiles with a mouse.
  • JarredWalton - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    Obviously I'm referring more the the OEM feelings than what people really need; I probably should have put requires in quotes. :-) But, I will say that I find the Start Screen to be much more useful with a touchscreen vs. a mouse. I will also say that I'm still running Windows 7 on all my personal use laptops and desktops, and on most Windows 8 laptops I install Classic Shell.
  • lightsout565 - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    I wonder why Vizio chose to go with AMD for their dGPU's, putting the 8670M in their new 15.6" thin and light
  • JarredWalton - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    Almost certainly thanks to pricing, but don't forget to note that the 8670M is only in the AMD A10 based model -- oddly, at least right now, the Intel model doesn't support a dGPU?
  • lightsout565 - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    Exactly. Samsung's new Series 7 Chronos offers a quad core i7 (identical to the Vizio's) with an 8870m. Look's nice.
  • willy54 - Monday, April 1, 2013 - link

    My 670mx in my g75vx is a gk104 will that make any difference in overclocking or does the memory width hold it back?
  • karbom - Tuesday, April 2, 2013 - link

    does it mean that gt 730m which appeared earlier this year in laptops such as dell inspiron 14r still uses GK107(128 bit memory bandwith) rather than just announced 64 bit GK208.
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, April 3, 2013 - link

    I think so... but you'd have to see if it's a 64-bit or 128-bit interface. To my knowledge, only GK208 supports 64-bit interface configurations. (Well, along with Fermi of course.)
  • karbom - Saturday, April 13, 2013 - link

    Thnx i guess i have no other option than to 1st buy inspiron 14 and then check it out myself for 128/64 bit interface LOL........!
  • MrSpadge - Tuesday, April 2, 2013 - link

    Well played, nVidia!

    Nobody bothers any more to complain about Fermis still being used in the "700 series", let alone the same Kepler chips as in the "600 series". Maybe they should start to simply attach years to the model numbers, to make it clear that they say nothing anymore about the technological generation or capabilities of the chips.

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