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AMD's Phenom X4 9950, 9350e and 9150e: Lower Prices, Voltage Tricks and Strange Behavior
AMD's Phenom X4 9950, 9350e and 9150e: Lower Prices, Voltage Tricks and Strange Behavior
Date: July 1st, 2008
Topic: CPU & Chipset
Manufacturer: AMD
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi & Gary Key
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Making Your Own 9350e

One of the most interesting aspects of testing the new 9350e was figuring out if the new 65W TDP rating held any true advantages over the existing 95W TDP Phenom X4 product line. Does the 9350e hold an advantage in power consumption? It depends on how you look at the situation. Yes, compared to the 9550 X4 the 9350e X4 holds a 8% advantage at idle, 7% advantage in H.264 playback, and 13% advantage in gaming. Sounds impressive and certainly makes for good marketing materials, especially when describing the "Green" benefits of this new processor.

  Idle H.264 Playback Company of Heroes
AMD Phenom X4 9550 72.2W 88.1W 102.8W
AMD Phenom X4 9350e 66.8W 81.8W 89.2W

 


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However, let's take a look at the other side of the coin. First off, those benefits come at the expense of 200MHz in processor speed or a 10% lower core clock setting with an 11% increase in processor cost. Admittly, on our IGP platforms, this decrease in core clock speed is not noticeable in gaming as we are GPU limited for the most part. In video/audio encoding operations and general office applications the speed decrease is not apparent in day to day operations. The increase in cost could be excused over time based on theoritical power savings. That brings us to our Mr. Science experiment of the day. What if we could have our cake and eat it too, or in simple terms can we keep the 200MHz speed increase afforded by the 9550 while retaining the power savings of the 9350e at a 11% cost savings? Today is our lucky day as it is quite easy to accomplish this task, well almost.


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Our first task was to compare the 9350e to the 9550 at stock settings. As mentioned above, the power consumption savings were measurable and significant in some areas. We then set our 9550 to mimic the 9350e at the standard 2.0GHz (10x200) setting. Our actual voltage of .896V on the 9550 is slightly lower than the .992V reported by the 9350e. However, the idle wattage is .6W higher. A reading that was consistent through hours of testing on various boards, so whether it is in the processor or CnQ settings, the 9350e does hold the slightest of advantages. This advantage disappears in our H.264 and gaming tests where the "9550e" holds a minimum advantage. So, on a clock for clock basis, the two CPUs are almost identical in power consumption and offline benchmarking showed no differences in performance. In other words, a B3 Phenom is a B3 Phenom no matter how you designate the part number.

  Idle H.264 Playback Company of Heroes
AMD Phenom X4 9550 72.2W 88.1W 102.8W
AMD Phenom X4 9550 @ 2.2GHz/0.944V 68.7W 82.9W 89.7W
AMD Phenom X4 9550 @ 2.0GHz/0.896V 67.4W 81.4W 88.7W
AMD Phenom X4 9350e 66.8W 81.8W 89.2W

 

In our second test, we decided to see how low we could set the voltage on the 9550 and retain the native 2.2GHz clock speed (11x200). We set the voltage to 1.125V in the BIOS that resulted in a operating value of .944V with CnQ enabled. This setting allowed us to complete our entire benchmark test suite (PC Vantage, games, audio/video apps, Prime95, etc.) without issue. The idle number is 2% higher, H.264 playback is up 1% and gaming is increased less than a half percent. In other words, we can experience a 10% improvement in clock speeds with a 10% decrease in cost while retaining almost identical power consumption numbers. Every CPU will be different, some better, some worse, but overall we do not see a compelling reason for purchasing the 9350e if you have the time/knowledge to spend a few minutes in the BIOS and running a couple of stability tests.


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On a side note, we could not replicate our voltage settings with CnQ turned off. If we set the same operating voltages in the BIOS, the systems would not POST and if they did, we were lucky if the system booted into Vista which usually lead to an immediate BSOD. On average, we had to set the 9350e to 1.150V to ensure 24/7 stability and the 9550 to 1.175V. In fact, NB voltage had to be increased from 1.10V to 1.15V to pass the PC Vantage and Crysis benchmarks.

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37 Comments - Last by pringlep0, 561 days ago
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Price mix-up? by Aries1470, 587 days ago
Hi,
Just found the following strange:
AMD Phenom X4 9850 $205
AMD Phenom X4 9750 $215
The slower one is more expensive, while in the article it has the prices reversed?
"The new Phenom X4 9950 will occupy the $235 space, which will push the 9850 down to $215. The Phenom 9750 will go away temporarily to make room for the new chips at the high end, leaving the 9650 at $195 and the 9550 at $175."

I wonder which one is correct ;-) Hmm... I think a proof reader and an eye for detail is needed :-)

Ok, now for me to read the rest of the article.

Btw, any update on the new VIA Nano CPU - Codename Isaiah? Will there be a review? It is as fast as a 9150e or faster at the same clock speed? It has much less power usage. Now if someone over here could do a review or get more info that would be great, since it is like there is no other x86 competitor out there...

That's all from me.

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RE: Price mix-up? by Gary Key, 587 days ago
The 9750 pricing will not be changed by AMD officially and thankfully that model is being phased out in the retail sector and replaced by the 9850BE.

I have a picture of the VIA Nano PR flag from Computex and a handout explaining how it should perform. That is about as far as VIA is willing to go at this point with information. I did hear from some OEMS that VIA was not even close to getting the CPU out this summer as originally thought, much less advanced reviews. However, we do push them on an almost daily basis for it.

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CPU table by Assimilator1, 587 days ago
Yeah it looks like they've messed up the clock speeds for the lower Phenoms too, lol.

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Motherboard support + complicated native quad core design = disaster? by Regs, 587 days ago
Between cool n' quite and flimsy power management, it just seems like AMD overshot their goals. Though to me, it seems like they could easily be fixed in Shanghai, but that's if they can keep all four cores busy instead I have 3 cores at stall, and one pumping at max in threaded or shared instruction instances. This will though cause more power consumption, and I think you guys all ready said that mobo support is just not their to power these suckers. You can have your cake, you just cant eat it.

What do you goes think about AMD at 2.6 GHz? Looks more competitive stacked up to Intel's finniest at the given price point. Just makes me wonder if the over complicated power management features are keeping AMD from hitting 3.0 GHz or above. What do you think is holding AMD back?

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RE: Motherboard support + complicated native quad core design = disaster? by DigitalFreak, 587 days ago
Shitty engineering?

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RE: Motherboard support + complicated native quad core design = disaster? by Griswold, 586 days ago
Well, I dont know for sure. But its definitely not moronic comments from dumbasses such as you.

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OCing by woofermazing, 587 days ago
Odd that you guys couldn't get any OC out of the 9950. Results from other sites have been pretty impressive using the stock cooler. 3.6ghz is the highest of seen so far.

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RE: OCing by Clauzii, 587 days ago
I second that!

PS: And why does the comment page keep looking like pre-95 internet :O (I'm on FF3)

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Phenoms aren’t really able to scale much beyond 2.7GHz? by js01, 587 days ago
I think they scale much better then that hothardware got the 9950be to 3.1ghz barely even trying and the 9350e to 2.7ghz.
http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/AMD...nom_X4_9350e_and_9950_BE_Debut/?page=2

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RE: Phenoms aren’t really able to scale much beyond 2.7GHz? by Gary Key, 587 days ago
It depends on the board and CPU actually. We have a retail 9850BE that will do 3.3, but three others struggle to make it to 2.8. Until we see some consistency in the retail parts, we would rather play it safe with the comments. A separate overclocking article is on its way though with the new lineup. :)

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