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NVIDIA's Fermi: Architected for Tesla, 3 Billion Transistors in 2010
NVIDIA's Fermi: Architected for Tesla, 3 Billion Transistors in 2010
Date: September 30th, 2009
Topic: Video Card
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Author: Anand Lal Shimpi
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The graph below is one of transistor count, not die size. Inevitably, on the same manufacturing process, a significantly higher transistor count translates into a larger die size. But for the purposes of this article, all I need to show you is a representation of transistor count.

See that big circle on the right? That's Fermi. NVIDIA's next-generation architecture.

NVIDIA astonished us with GT200 tipping the scales at 1.4 billion transistors. Fermi is more than twice that at 3 billion. And literally, that's what Fermi is - more than twice a GT200.

At the high level the specs are simple. Fermi has a 384-bit GDDR5 memory interface and 512 cores. That's more than twice the processing power of GT200 but, just like RV870 (Cypress), it's not twice the memory bandwidth.

The architecture goes much further than that, but NVIDIA believes that AMD has shown its cards (literally) and is very confident that Fermi will be faster. The questions are at what price and when.

The price is a valid concern. Fermi is a 40nm GPU just like RV870 but it has a 40% higher transistor count. Both are built at TSMC, so you can expect that Fermi will cost NVIDIA more to make than ATI's Radeon HD 5870.

Then timing is just as valid, because while Fermi currently exists on paper, it's not a product yet. Fermi is late. Clock speeds, configurations and price points have yet to be finalized. NVIDIA just recently got working chips back and it's going to be at least two months before I see the first samples. Widespread availability won't be until at least Q1 2010.

I asked two people at NVIDIA why Fermi is late; NVIDIA's VP of Product Marketing, Ujesh Desai and NVIDIA's VP of GPU Engineering, Jonah Alben. Ujesh responded: because designing GPUs this big is "fucking hard".

Jonah elaborated, as I will attempt to do here today.

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Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by Lord 666, 131 days ago
That actually just made my day; seeing a VP of Marketing speak their mind.

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by therealnickdanger, 131 days ago
Agreed. That was refreshing!

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by mapesdhs, 131 days ago

Blimey, I didn't know Ujesh could utter such things. :D When I knew
him in 1998 he was much more offical/polite-sounding (he was Product
Manager for the O2 workstation at SGI; I was using a loaner O2 from
SGI to hunt for OS/app bugs - Ujesh was my main contact for feedback).

The poster who talked about availability has a strong point. My brother
has asked me to build him a new system next week. Looks like it'll be
an Athlon II X4 620, 4GB RAM, 5850, better CPU cooler, with either an
AM3 mbd and DDR3 RAM or AM2+ mbd and DDR2 RAM (not sure yet). By heck
he's going to see one hell of a speed boost; his current system is a
single-core Athlon64 2.64GHz, 2GB DDR400, X1950Pro AGP 8X. :D My own
6000+ 8800GT will seem slow by comparison... :|

Ian.



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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by samspqr, 131 days ago
ATI's availability will be sorted out soon, NVIDIA's weird design choices that are targeted at anything but graphics won't

in fact, I have just realized: NVIDIA IS DOING A MATROX!
(forget about graphics, concentrate in a proffessional niche, subsequently get run over by competitors in its former main market... eventually dissappear from the graphics market or become irrelevant? with some luck, RayTracing will be here sooner rather than later, ATI will switch to GPUcomputing at the right time -as opposed to very much too soon-, and we will have a 3 players market; until then, ATI domination all over)

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by Yojimbo, 131 days ago
What makes you think it isn't the right time? You can only really tell in hindsight, but you give in your post any reason that you think now is not the right time and later, when amd is gonna do it, is the right time. I think the right time is whenever the architecture is available and the interest is there. Nvidia has, over the past 5 years, been steadily building the architecture for it. Whether the tools are all in place yet and whether the interest is really there remains to be seen.
It has nothing to do with matrox or any shift to a "professional niche." Nvidia believes that it has the ability to evolve and leverage its products from the niche sector of 3d graphics into a broader and more ubiquitous computing engine.

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by wumpus, 130 days ago
Do you see any sign of commercial software support? Anybody Nvidia can point to and say "they are porting $important_app to openCL"? I haven't heard a mention. That pretty much puts Nvidia's GPU computing schemes solely in the realm of academia (where you can use grad students a cheap highly-skilled labor). If they could sell something like a FEA package for pro-engineer or solidworks, the things would fly off the shelves (at least I know companies who would buy them, but it might be more a location bias). If you have to code it yourself, that leaves either academia (which mostly just needs to look at hardware costs) and existing supercomputer users. The existing commercial users have both hardware and software (otherwise they would be "potential users"), and are unlikely to want to rewrite the software unless it is really, really, cheaper. Try to imagine all the salaries involved in running the big, big, jobs Nvidia is going after and tell me that the hardware is a good place to save money (at the cost of changing *everything*).

I'd say Nvidia is not only killing the graphics (with all sorts of extra transistors that are in the way and are only for double point), but they aren't giving anyone (outside academia) any reason to use openCL. Maybe they have enough customers who want systems much bigger than $400k, but they will need enough of them to justify designing a >400mm chip (plus the academics, who are buying these because they don't have a lot of money).

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by samspqr, 130 days ago
Well, I do HPC for a living, and I think it's too early to push GPU computing so hard because I've tried to use it, and gave up because it required too much effort (and I didn't know exactly how much I would gain in my particular applications).

I've also tried to promote GPU computing among some peers who are even more hardcore HPC users, and they didn't pick it up either.

If even your typical physicist is scared by the complexity of the tool, it's too early.

(as I'm told, there was a time when similar efforts were needed in order to use the mathematical coprocessor...)

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by jessicafae, 128 days ago
Fantastic article.

I do bioinformatics / HPC and in our field too we have had several good GPU ports for a handful for algorithms, but nothing so great to drive us to add massive amounts of GPU racks to our clusters. With OpenCL coming available this year, the programming model is dramatically improved and we will see a lot more research and prototypes of code being ported to OpenCL.

I feel we are still in the research phase of GPU computing for HPC (workstations, a few GPU racks, lots of software development work). I am guessing it will be 2+ years till GPU/stream/OpenCL algorithms warrant wide-spread adoption of GPUs in clusters. I think a telling example is the RIKEN 12petaflop supercomputer which is switching to a complete scalar processor approach (100,000 Sparc64 VIIIfx chips with 800,000 cores)
http://www.fujitsu.com/global/news/pr/archives/month/2009/20090717-01.html

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by Yojimbo, 127 days ago
>>If even your typical physicist is scared by the complexity of the >>tool, it's too early.

This sounds good but it's not accurate. Physicists are interested in physics and most are not too keen on learning some new programing technique unless it is obvious that it will make a big difference for them. Even then, adoption is likely to be slow due to inertia. Nvidia is trying to break that inertia by pushing gpu computing. First they need to put the hardware in place and then they need to convince people to use it and put the software in place. They don't expect it to work like a switch. If they think the tools are in place to make it viable, then how is the time to push, because it will ALWAYS require a lot of effort when making the switch.

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RE: Thank you for the proper quote from Nvidia by hazarama, 129 days ago
"Do you see any sign of commercial software support? Anybody Nvidia can point to and say "they are porting $important_app to openCL"? I haven't heard a mention. That pretty much puts Nvidia's GPU computing schemes solely in the realm of academia"

Maybe you should check out Snow Leopard ..

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