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Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping - Preview
Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping - Preview
Date: April 6th, 2009
Author: Gary Key
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We received our first Core i7 920 D0 stepping from ASRock a few days ago and have been testing it thoroughly on their X58 SuperComputer Motherboard outfitted with four GTX 260-216 video cards. This new stepping certainly shows promise as initial clocking, voltage levels, and memory speeds were improved for the most part over our best C0 stepping. However, the differences were not exciting enough for us to immediately whip out the credit card and go hunt down a D0 stepping processor. In the middle of our testing, ASRock provided an updated BIOS tuned with the D0 stepping in mind and the results changed enough for us to seek a retail processor. Our ES sample was good, not as good as some hand picked samples we noticed at various forums back in March, but we wanted a retail processor.

We called up our good friends at TankGuys and they were able to hook us up (after our credit card cleared) with two D0 stepping 920 processors. Ben was able to overnight the first unit in time for us to test over the weekend and our initial results have just been terrific to date. Unfortunately, our ASRock X58 board (yes, this board makes for a very good multi-GPU platform) was tied up in testing for an upcoming Workstation review. So looking around the lab, we grabbed our trusty DFI LanParty UT X58-T3eH8 and updated it with the latest magical mystical BIOS from Oskar, Jarry, & Company. This particular BIOS is very D0 stepping friendly along with incorporating a few changeable settings like Round Trip Latency (RTL) that allows us to clock our Corsair Dominator GT memory kit a little higher than the other X58 motherboards.

The first test results just blew us away and we wanted to share one particular result today. We are still testing and will have a full article up in the near future featuring a variety of motherboards and cooling choices, but at this moment, the D0 920 stepping provides real and tangible benefits for the overclocking community over the previous C0 steppings. There is no difference in application benchmarks between the two processors at stock or like overclocked settings, nothing drastic has changed like cache levels or the IMC design. Rather this is a "standard continuous process improvement" update as Intel officially informed us. These improvements have enabled us to achieve higher overclocks at like or lower voltages, higher memory speeds at like or lower voltages, and as a result, our CPU, PWM, and case temperatures are down while overclocked numbers are up. Until we finish up our testing, the screenshot below is one example (not even our best) of our test results with the Core i7 920 D0 (3845B027 lot code) processor.



We enabled Turbo mode on all four cores for a final 21x CPU multiplier, set Bclk to 205, memory ratio to 2:10, Core VID at 1.345V, VTT to 1.37V, IOH to 1.19V, and VDimm at 1.69V. This resulted in a final CPU speed of 4.309 GHz, memory speed at 2052 with 7-8-7-20 1T timings, and it is 24/7 stable. We actually could reduce Core VID to 1.30V, VTT to 1.34V, and VDimm to 1.67V and pass our OCCT/Prime 95 tests. However, at the reduced voltage rates our video encoding tests with RipBot264 or HandBrake would fail along with our trusted Crysis WarHead and PCMark Vantage x64 loop testing. We think we can reduce the voltages slightly from their current settings and still pass our benchmark test suite, but for now we feel safe with our results.

The question that has not been answered yet is how our C0 processors steppings faired. First off, none of the C0 steppings we have would operate at these particular voltage settings, in fact two of them failed to POST. Our best C0 sample is requiring 1.425V on Core Vid, 1.250V IOH, 1.475V VTT, and 1.71V VDimm to just make it into Vista Ultimate 64 and we still have not dialed in application stability yet. Once we complete the C0 testing, expect to hear back from us on this new/old processor.



We just passed the eight hour test mark (multi-tasking tests, OCCT, PCMark Vantage x64 loops) with the above setup. Once again, we set our CPU multiplier to 21x for all cores, Bclk at 210, 2:10 memory ratio, and voltages set to 1.376V on Core Vid, 1.37V VTT, 1.26V IOH, along with 1.69V on VDimm. This results in a 4.41GHz clock speed and DDR3-2100 memory speed at 7-8-7-20 1T timings.

We will be back shortly with results on the ASRock X58 SuperComputer board with a new performance level BIOS as our workstation testing with it is now complete.





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Uh oh.. noob first comment by trajan, 308 days ago
Sorry to take the first comment spot with a dumb question, but as I'm days away from picking up a 920, I have to ask.. What exactly is this C0, D0 business? Are these just manufacturing batches? That is, if I buy a 920 today, am I getting whatever is in stock? Is there anyway to tell in advance.

Sorry if I'm way off the mark here :-)

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RE: Uh oh.. noob first comment by 457R4LDR34DKN07, 308 days ago
Yes, to both of your questions. It isn't technically a manufacturing batch, it's a revision of the chip design. It generally runs better all around and usually more overclockable.

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question by Bozo Galora, 308 days ago
yeah, if you buy today you will prob get a C0. All the CPU's on the just expired MicroCenter 920's special @$200 were C0 (Maybe they were clearing em out)

the tankguys.com are the only ones I am aware of who actually name and guarantee a stepping

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RE: question by trajan, 308 days ago
Oof. I was hoping to still make the $200 sale. $230 isn't bad though. So there's no way I can tell from the box or in the store whether it C0 or D0? Thanks also to the above poster for clarifying, I didn't realize it was actually a full revision.

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RE: question by chizow, 308 days ago
To add to this, MicroCenter actually replaced their entire stock nationally after the April 1st sale where they ran out literally across the country (I checked lol).

It looks like their current batch is also all C0, as I went to my local MC that had 40-something newly in stock Saturday. They were all also C0, although pack date was mid-March.

D0 will probably start getting mixed in at retailers with high turnover, but I'd say we're still a bit off from seeing high availability. A place like Tank Guys that guarantees stepping is probably the safest followed by B&M like Fry's or MicroCenter. To clarify, you're looking for S-SPEC SLBEH for the D0.

I just installed a batch 3843A C0 and its no slouch at 3.9GHz with HT ON @ 1.32V, but its not getting to 4.3GHz. If these D0 prove to be much better clockers at low voltages, I'll probably swap one in when MC gets them in. At $230 I won't lose much on the swap by reselling the C0.

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RE: question by Aivas47a, 308 days ago
The code for the D0 stepping 920 is SLBEJ, not SLBEH.

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RE: question by Furyu, 151 days ago
Hmmm so let me guess if it says SLBCH I got screwed and have a CO?

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HT enabled? by chizow, 308 days ago
Was HT enabled on that D0 @ 4.3GHz? Wasn't made clear from what I read, apologize if it was mentioned and I missed it.

Looks great so far, these later batch i7 are great overclockers and performers! I'm very pleased with mine even though I wasn't planning to upgrade until P55/i5 or 32nm Westmere.

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RE: HT enabled? by chizow, 308 days ago
Nm, just saw you had 8 threads in CPU-Z. In any case, that's extremely impressive with HT ON to hit 4.3GHz.

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Buying D0 from Tankguys is stupid by tshen83, 308 days ago
It is a known overclocker's secret that Xeons mostly overclock better than the equivalent consumer counter parts.

All Xeons are D0 spec already. Just go to Intel sSpec finder page. All Xeon 3500s and Xeon 5500s are stepping D0.

The interesting combination is the Asus Z8NA-D6C board with 2 Xeon E5504 D0 2Ghz, giving you SMP 8 real Nehalem cores(HyperThreading disabled, but that's good for overclocking), and see if you can overclock those into SMP 4Ghz+ :)

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RE: Buying D0 from Tankguys is stupid by Rajinder Gill, 308 days ago
The 95w Xeons look tasty, but also are expensive. Secondly, you get the additional QPi link, so it's unknown how they'll fare in host clock abilities (ultimately QPI speed). IF that rules out high BCLk ability you're relegated to the big leagues. You'll want one which at least comes in over 2.6GHz I think, which at current pricing puts it in the $1100 category. The X5570 looks creamy at $1700. I'd love to test the higher multiplier Xeon's out for overclocking.

The 920's are still specced at 130w TDP or so, so not in the league of the 95w Xeons - but a lot cheaper for a punt.

regards
Raja


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RE: Buying D0 from Tankguys is stupid by tshen83, 308 days ago
Well, the point is, get a Xeon equivalent.

Xeon W3520 is the i7-920 equivalent. And it will definitely overclock better, supports ECC ram, and supports more datacenter features.

X5570 is a pretty good processor, but it is really designed to challenge 4S AMD and 4S Dunnington in DB applications where they load up to 144GB of ram in a system. If you compare the X5570 to Xeon X7460s, or Opteron 8384s then it is cheap.

The point isn't the highest end. The highest end parts is simply technological demonstrations, proving that Intel's manufacturing is capable of doing the clock speed. The real juice is the lowest end parts such as the E5504s selling for as little as $227. I bet you even the E5504s at 2.0Ghz can be as good as AMD's Opteron 2384s at 2.7Ghz which is priced at 700 dollars+ compared to Intel's bargain basement pricing. AMD would have no choice but to cut the price of their entire Opteron line, especially the top end ones if they aren't even as fast as the E5504s. The current pricing structure from AMD isn't competitive.

If 2 Intel's X5570 at 2.93Ghz($1700 each) can perform the same as 4 Opteron 8384s(1900 each), don't you see the need for AMD to cut price by 50% across the entire line? Performance per Mhz, per watt or per dollar is so screwed up for AMD, it is not even funny any more.

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RE: Buying D0 from Tankguys is stupid by Rajinder Gill, 308 days ago
I'd actually overlooked those. So long as the memory multi's can be fully unlocked as they are with the 920 it would be a cool option.

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RE: Buying D0 from Tankguys is stupid by tshen83, 308 days ago
I do know what I am talking about :)

http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2009q1/cpu2006-20090116-06416.html

http://www.spec.org/cpu2006/results/res2009q1/cpu2006-20090316-06764.html

Whatever conclusion you can draw from the two links I just posted, just keep it to yourself. If you have the intelligence to understand those links, you would know why AMD is so screwed.

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RE: Buying D0 from Tankguys is stupid by tshen83, 308 days ago
RE: Buying D0 from Tankguys is stupid by tshen83, 308 days ago
Sorry, one of the links I posted here is wrong. read the next set of benchmarks I posted.

Too many benchmarks.

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spelling error by taltamir, 308 days ago
"The question that has not been answered yet is how our C0 processors steppings faired"

Should say FARED not FAIRED.

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Maybe people will believe me now by aigomorla, 308 days ago
Just like to say i told you guys so.

D0 - HOT and FTW!!!!

But i showed you guys this last week in the forums with my 975 D0. :P

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RE: Maybe people will believe me now by aigomorla, 308 days ago
Need to add one more comment.

These Chips DO NOT RUN COOLER.

If they do its because of the lower voltage requirement for a stable overclock.

But push the voltage and overclock the same on both C0/C1 vs a D0, you'll run near the same heat.

i7 is NOT a cool chip when overclocked.

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RE: Maybe people will believe me now by 7Enigma, 307 days ago
Statement #1: These Chips DO NOT RUN COOLER.

Statement #2 (immediately after statement #1): If they do its because of the lower voltage requirement for a stable overclock.

Well which one is it? :) You kind of destroyed your own argument in 2 sentences. Of course if you run the same voltage at the same clock speed through C/D they will produce the same amount of heat. That's basic science. They run cooler because you can run the same clock speed at LOWER voltages on the D0 chip, which in this case (but not always) allows for a higher maximum overclock on average.

Now this was an N=2, which really isn't statistically significant, but I think the general trend is sound...

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RE: Maybe people will believe me now by DigitalFreak, 308 days ago
What, you want a cookie or something?

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rule of thumb by MadMan007, 308 days ago
Seems like a good rule of thumb, with a few possible exceptions, for Intel CPUs ever since Core 2 came out is wait for the revised stepping of a given CPU die.

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Thanks very much for the information! by orionmgomg, 308 days ago
I just built my first i7 system, and unlike with most of my other builds - I did not invest 1000$ plus on the Extreme Edition CPUs as I had expreianced myself with the core 2s that they OCed so well, and with all the news about the new i7 920 being able to get to 4.0Ghz with little effort I thought I would save the movey.

I have really hit a wall at 3.6, post at 3.8, and even at 3.999 (190 bclk w/turbo enabled...) anything above 3.6 is not stable no matter what I do, and I still do not have all the exact "best" QPI & Uclk settings, voltages has also been a lot more involved compaired to the C2Ds.

I have seen forums, articles and even videos of people OCing the i7 920 to 4.0 without even adjusting the auto voltages - posting first time every time... mine is not as lucky.

Should I buy the DO - I have purchased over 25 CPUs from Tank Guys, but they are usually 15 to 25% more expensive than the egg... I have to have my CPU core up to at least 3.6 (minimum) to leverage my GPUs...

Inetel i7 920 (co/c1)
ASUS P6T Delux V2
6GBs OCZ Platinum 16000 7-7-7-24 (1.64v)
Samsung Spinpoint F DT 500GB (RAID 0)
EVGA GTX 885

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IOH by rcocchiararo, 308 days ago
When would one detect that the IOH is what needs more juice for getting higher clock/bclk ?

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Cooling on the AT D0? by Casper42, 308 days ago
I may just be blind here, but did they say if 4.3Ghz was on Air or Water or LN2?

If that is Air, then its quite remarkable.
A 60% improvement in speed by investing $75 in cooling is crazy. Especially considering the 940s still go for $500+

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RE: Cooling on the AT D0? by ikjadoon, 308 days ago
Unless this D0 is really bitching, I'm pretty sure it is liquid cooling. 27C idle (I'm assuming idle from the screenie?) is not something an air-cooler can do on a 4.3GHz i7.

~Ibrahim~

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RE: Cooling on the AT D0? by woffen, 308 days ago
The Smart Guardian software is known to show to low CPU temperatures. The other temps it shows somewhat OK though.

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Anyone find the (UPDATED) content yet? by sparkuss, 308 days ago
This article now says (UPDATED). There isn't any bolding or such, so anyone notice what is new?

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RE: Anyone find the (UPDATED) content yet? by Beno, 308 days ago
trying to find whats new: fail

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RE: Anyone find the (UPDATED) content yet? by Rajinder Gill, 308 days ago
I think Gary added some screenshots to the gallery images. There's some screenies over 4.4GHz in there now. He manged to get those clocks stable last night after the blog post went up.

Later
Raja


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RE: Anyone find the (UPDATED) content yet? by SirKronan, 307 days ago
What cooling are you using? One poster said that he's pretty sure it's liquid because of the 27c temp being unrealistic with such an OC on air. I would like to know for sure, though, and what are your max OC's on the new D0 with air, if this is indeed liquid?

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RE: Anyone find the (UPDATED) content yet? by SirKronan, 308 days ago
Lol. Yeah, where's the update? Hehe. Seems pretty similar to what I read yesterday ...

Perhaps they're working on it as we speak!

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Gary... hello? by thelastknight, 307 days ago
So can you answer the question on what specifically you were using to cool this new proc? 4.3G's is definately a new high for air if so.


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Faster by thebeastie, 307 days ago
I want it faster!
:)



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Um... by sleepeeg3, 307 days ago
Gary, I need that new BIOS! by msgclb, 307 days ago
I finally got a Core i7 920 D0 from TankGuys that I've installed in my DFI LanParty UT X58-T3eH8. What I now need is that 03/18/2009 BIOS that you say is the 'latest magical mystical BIOS from Oskar, Jarry, & Company'.

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D0 by DrNip, 307 days ago
msgclb will you please roll back your BIOS to the original to see if it will post with the D0 and the DFI LP UT X58-T3eH8. I have this setup and don't have a C0 to update my BIOS and can't seem to get my mobo to post. Many think it is because of the BIOS needing updated. Thanks.

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Cooling Utilized by Gary Key, 307 days ago
The screenshots provided utilized the CoolIt Systems Freezone Elite and I can go higher with it. The "short" review I am working on now will show the CoolIt Domino and the Vigor Monsoon III coolers, hopefully I can have the retail cooler results finished also.

I am at 4.3GHz on both of the those coolers and just passed the 24 hour mark of our test suite. At this point I believe the settings we used are 24/7 stable and have started doing the individual tests for the review. However, I think 4.2 at 1.31V probably provides a better margin of safety on air and will probably recommend that setting. Both of our retail processors performed identically in the testing. I have another retail unit arriving today that I will check quickly this evening.

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RE: Cooling Utilized by SirKronan, 306 days ago
Thank you! You i7 OC'ers continue to give me hope. My C0 processor sits in its box, motherboard on the shelf as I drool, waiting for my RAM to arrive ... Oh that I had Amazon prime BEFORE I placed the order!

Appreciate this a lot guys.

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RE: Cooling Utilized by orionmgomg, 306 days ago
I have been playing with the vcore - and I have always needed it to be above 1.35 to post with any OC with CO steping- It shows 1.368 Vcoe in CPUz for a stable 3.6Ghz OC, (I forgot the exact BIOS Voltage I settled on...) I am not able to POST with lower Vcore - but your hitting 4+ on air with 1.31 Vcore? Please advise.

Also, IOH Voltage? New to the X58 any insite on voltages "peramitors" for the new voltage options with the X58s.

Thanks!

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RE: Cooling Utilized by Beno, 303 days ago
no way you're getting those temps with freezone elite.
or the lan party show low temps.

a friend had a freezone elite and barely keeping up with the heat.

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RE: Cooling Utilized by Beno, 303 days ago
edit: those are idle temps right? :banghead:

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vcores and more by Pedros, 306 days ago
Well, each cpu is a cpu ...

i have a C0 stepping that can do 3.8Ghz stable at 1.28 ... at 1.27 it BSOD's ... if i use OCCT it's stable, if i use prime it BSOD's...

So, it really depends of lots of factors...

This new D0, if you notice are the batch ****B**** ... in the C0 we already knew that the B batch was awesome, could overclock better, with less vcore that results in less temperature ... so this D0 is basically the best batch of the C0 but as "mainstream".



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1.69 VDimm? by davision, 306 days ago
I thought I read in numerous places that going above 1.65 was a real no-no with these i7 boards.

What am I missing?

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temps by Beno, 306 days ago
please use core temp or proper software for cpu temps

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When? by thebeastie, 300 days ago
So when can we bloody buy one?
This is the only thing that is holding me back from buying a PC



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RE: When? by ap90033, 297 days ago
I cant wait for the OC guide for this... I have the Vigor Monsoon III with the 920 Rev D0 on an EVGA X58 Board so I am Ready... :)

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DO spec by claytontullos, 291 days ago
A i7 that I ordered from newegg arrived today and it is S-spec: SLBEJ.

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Core i7 DO by jeffreaux2, 290 days ago
I recieved a Core i7 920 yesterday from Newegg. It is also the DO stepping version. SLBEJ.

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cooling by rsabluebulls, 264 days ago
i wonderwhat cooler or water cooling did they use when they did this test... 27-29 degrees idle @ 4ghz is quite impressive. i have an i7 D0 chip with a TRUE heatsink and fan and my 3.5Ghz overclock idles at 40 degrees and 69 on 100% full load (running RipBot)...

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