What do you mean? Can you please elaborate on this 'wing clipping'.
As for the this SSD, it all comes down to price, which unfortunately we do not know because it's an OEM product. It's true that I personally would get a Samsung SSD for myself, but if the price is right, this would most certainly be a consideration where speed is not of absolute importance, as is usually the case in home environments.
I mean downsizing, samsung has become too good for its own good, or more like for the good of the contemporary geopolitical agenda. The problem is not that much with how big and influential samsung is, but with how they become a threat to certain US corporations, whose competition is seen as a threat to the US national security.
Samsung is heavily supported by the government of South Korea, which depends on the US government now more than ever. They have to be careful not to hurt American businesses to preserve their relationship.
A.D.O.Y :) But let's be honest and admit SK is a puppet state. They did however come a long way from having the bulk of their economy be from sex slavery to US military occupation forces. That last part was not a joke (I wish it was), look it up.
That is some extreme conspiracy theory, not to mention a violation of free market principles. Samsung is not heavily supported by any government, and Samsung doesn't give a fuck about hurting american businesses anymore than Apple gives a fuck about hurting Korean businesses. These companies are at war for your money, and that's good for everyone.
Look at it from the other perspective. If it wasn't for Samsung, companies like Apple, Dell, HP etc. would barely have any product to sell. The US hasn't been strong in memory for decades and even today Micron is still just a drop in the ocean from overall wafer production point of view.
I think you are swimming in conspiracy theory waters. Since there is no legal way to target Samsung specifically, the only way for what you are suggesting is by slapping heavy tariffs on South Korean imports in the US. But that is a dangerous slippery slope, since it could be the start of a global tit-for-tat tariff war. Now, I do not say that Trump is not crazy or stupid enough to not go there, but I still do not think he will do it, because hopefully cooler heads will prevail. If he does the US will be completely isolated, and since it is a major part of the global economy, the 2008 - 2010 crisis will seem like peanuts.
This is the second AT story I've read today where the comments devolved into a flame war within the first page. If everyone would just stop feeding the trolls I think things would be a lot better. As it is, the comments area is rapidly reaching uselessness.
They would have to undercut the 500GB EVO by $75-$100 and the 1TB by $100-$150, at least, to make this thing compelling. Though, to be honest, I haven't noticed a huge difference going from a BX100 to a 960 EVO in everyday performance. It's certainly better for demanding tasks, but that's not important for a lot of people.
It did take quite a while to put together the new test suite, and re-test older drives for comparison data. The Intel 750 is a particular nuisance since I only have equipment to measure one power rail at a time and the 750 uses both the 12V and 3.3V lines.
Now that I have the new test suite (mostly) complete and automated as much as possible, I hope to be able to churn out reviews more quickly. There will be another SSD review going up next week while I'm at Flash Memory Summit.
AT is my go to place for SSD reviews. I like the consistent testing procedures over time which really helps to do apples to apples comparisons. One thing I' would like to see though is more comparisons of different sized drives in the same brand/model family. For example I was recently shopping for an NVMe drive and Samsung has been my go to brand for a few years now for high-mid range with crucial for my more run of the mill drives. So of course I was considering the 960 EVO. The trouble was I didn't need or want to pay the price for a 1 TB model (have a 750GB MX300 for bigish storage)...the 256GB was more in my price range. But you only usually have results for the 1 TB model. Digging around on other sites I was able to determine that the 256GB model took a huge performance hit compared to the larger sizes. In the past, Samsung drives used to seem like they took less of a hit when down sizing capacity, which was another plus for the brand. I ended up with a 512 GB Evo as a good balance between price and performance...but there were a lot of guesswork and assumptions involved with that choice. I can't be the only one out there that thinks this way?
We always try to get as many different capacities as possible. Some vendors are more willing than others to sample one of each size. Lately with the flash shortage, most vendors have been hesitant to send the full range of samples, and even after the product launches their PR teams have pretty limited sample availability.
When I'm reviewing a single drive, I try to include primarily other drives from the same capacity class. If you want to compare eg. a 250 GB NVMe drive against a 512GB SATA drive, that's what our Bench database is for. (Though I haven't posted the 2017 results to Bench yet, and won't have time for that until after Flash Memory Summit.)
NewEgg insiders could buy the Samsung 850 Pro this week for $109 (256GB)
A 10 year warranty on the Worlds Fastest consumer SATA drive turned out to be less expensive than a slower TLC drive with 3 - 5 year warranty then adding an extended warranty
Or you could just save $10 and get a slower TLC drive with a crappy warranty
Hi, you state that you have L1.2 enabled in your Idle powertest but clearly it is not working on your setup. I guess you use PCIe vertical to m.2 adapter and because of that you cannot go lower than L1.
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drajitshnew - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Disappointing, samsung is becoming the new Intel.ddriver - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Don't worry, sammy is in a process of wing clipping.Babar Javied - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
What do you mean? Can you please elaborate on this 'wing clipping'.As for the this SSD, it all comes down to price, which unfortunately we do not know because it's an OEM product. It's true that I personally would get a Samsung SSD for myself, but if the price is right, this would most certainly be a consideration where speed is not of absolute importance, as is usually the case in home environments.
ddriver - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
I mean downsizing, samsung has become too good for its own good, or more like for the good of the contemporary geopolitical agenda. The problem is not that much with how big and influential samsung is, but with how they become a threat to certain US corporations, whose competition is seen as a threat to the US national security.euler007 - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Samsung is heavily supported by the government of South Korea, which depends on the US government now more than ever. They have to be careful not to hurt American businesses to preserve their relationship.ddriver - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
A.D.O.Y :) But let's be honest and admit SK is a puppet state. They did however come a long way from having the bulk of their economy be from sex slavery to US military occupation forces. That last part was not a joke (I wish it was), look it up.The_Assimilator - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
You're a vilely offensive piece of shit on so many levels.Hurr Durr - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
Oy vey, muh hurt burger feelinz, dey haet us fo da freedumb. Even ddriver can be right sometimes, and this time he is.ddriver - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
Yeah, I am bad for condemning sex slavery, shame on me! Or were you simply talking to a mirror just now?Samus - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
That is some extreme conspiracy theory, not to mention a violation of free market principles. Samsung is not heavily supported by any government, and Samsung doesn't give a fuck about hurting american businesses anymore than Apple gives a fuck about hurting Korean businesses. These companies are at war for your money, and that's good for everyone.Hurr Durr - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
Honey, Samsung IS South Korea.Kristian Vättö - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Look at it from the other perspective. If it wasn't for Samsung, companies like Apple, Dell, HP etc. would barely have any product to sell. The US hasn't been strong in memory for decades and even today Micron is still just a drop in the ocean from overall wafer production point of view.Samus - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Indeed.Santoval - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
I think you are swimming in conspiracy theory waters. Since there is no legal way to target Samsung specifically, the only way for what you are suggesting is by slapping heavy tariffs on South Korean imports in the US. But that is a dangerous slippery slope, since it could be the start of a global tit-for-tat tariff war. Now, I do not say that Trump is not crazy or stupid enough to not go there, but I still do not think he will do it, because hopefully cooler heads will prevail. If he does the US will be completely isolated, and since it is a major part of the global economy, the 2008 - 2010 crisis will seem like peanuts.Reflex - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Don't bother asking him that, it'll just turn into conspiracy theory bullshit.Ratman6161 - Monday, August 7, 2017 - link
This is the second AT story I've read today where the comments devolved into a flame war within the first page. If everyone would just stop feeding the trolls I think things would be a lot better. As it is, the comments area is rapidly reaching uselessness.cfenton - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
They would have to undercut the 500GB EVO by $75-$100 and the 1TB by $100-$150, at least, to make this thing compelling. Though, to be honest, I haven't noticed a huge difference going from a BX100 to a 960 EVO in everyday performance. It's certainly better for demanding tasks, but that's not important for a lot of people.Sivar - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
The technical detail and comprehensiveness of this SSD review is impressive.It must have taken man weeks to put this all together.
Billy Tallis - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
It did take quite a while to put together the new test suite, and re-test older drives for comparison data. The Intel 750 is a particular nuisance since I only have equipment to measure one power rail at a time and the 750 uses both the 12V and 3.3V lines.Now that I have the new test suite (mostly) complete and automated as much as possible, I hope to be able to churn out reviews more quickly. There will be another SSD review going up next week while I'm at Flash Memory Summit.
Ratman6161 - Monday, August 7, 2017 - link
AT is my go to place for SSD reviews. I like the consistent testing procedures over time which really helps to do apples to apples comparisons. One thing I' would like to see though is more comparisons of different sized drives in the same brand/model family.For example I was recently shopping for an NVMe drive and Samsung has been my go to brand for a few years now for high-mid range with crucial for my more run of the mill drives. So of course I was considering the 960 EVO. The trouble was I didn't need or want to pay the price for a 1 TB model (have a 750GB MX300 for bigish storage)...the 256GB was more in my price range. But you only usually have results for the 1 TB model. Digging around on other sites I was able to determine that the 256GB model took a huge performance hit compared to the larger sizes. In the past, Samsung drives used to seem like they took less of a hit when down sizing capacity, which was another plus for the brand. I ended up with a 512 GB Evo as a good balance between price and performance...but there were a lot of guesswork and assumptions involved with that choice.
I can't be the only one out there that thinks this way?
Billy Tallis - Monday, August 7, 2017 - link
We always try to get as many different capacities as possible. Some vendors are more willing than others to sample one of each size. Lately with the flash shortage, most vendors have been hesitant to send the full range of samples, and even after the product launches their PR teams have pretty limited sample availability.When I'm reviewing a single drive, I try to include primarily other drives from the same capacity class. If you want to compare eg. a 250 GB NVMe drive against a 512GB SATA drive, that's what our Bench database is for. (Though I haven't posted the 2017 results to Bench yet, and won't have time for that until after Flash Memory Summit.)
Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
NewEgg insiders could buy the Samsung 850 Pro this week for $109 (256GB)A 10 year warranty on the Worlds Fastest consumer SATA drive turned out to be less expensive than a slower TLC drive with 3 - 5 year warranty then adding an extended warranty
Or you could just save $10 and get a slower TLC drive with a crappy warranty
Your choice
Kwarkon - Saturday, August 12, 2017 - link
Hi, you state that you have L1.2 enabled in your Idle powertest but clearly it is not working on your setup.I guess you use PCIe vertical to m.2 adapter and because of that you cannot go lower than L1.
SanX - Monday, August 14, 2017 - link
A year later and still 3x slower then Samsung 960 ? Why this company still exists?