Do the price and the quality increase with button count for you? And could you tell the "intrinsic trash level" just by looking at 3 pictures? I mean do I want to know why you're an expert in trash-grade stuff? No, don't tell me. Maybe everybody should like what a prepubescent kid likes: a 55 button "gaming" mouse. What other objections could you have? Maybe "no RGB lighting", or "doesn't look like a spaceship"?
Every $20 (or less) mouse out there has a premium fingerprint sensor and professional level optical sensor right? Some of the crappiest USB fingerprint readers retail for over $30 but by all means, someone should put a vastly better one in a mouse and sell you the package for "$20 or less". Better yet, they should also GIVE you $20... to buy some comments that look like they came from a brain, not a hoof.
Haha the mouse may not be trash quality but missing those buttons is way more inconvenient than just having an external USB fingerprint reader. I'd never buy a mouse with less than 5 buttons.
It's always painful to see you talk out of your ass, but justifying this price tag on a mouse that lack forward/back buttons it crazy even for you, despite the price of a finger print sensor. Can't really blame you though, since you think the crappy lenovo mouse you linked is used for some other reason than price tag.
You argumentation is overwhelming. So what if a comparable fingerprint reader is about $130-150...
Would you buy it if it had 2-3 more buttons? Guess not. If only people could make a career from complaining about things that aren't for them and they don't understand.
Without the forward and back buttons it's lacking key functionality of any good mouse from the last 15+ years. It doesn't matter how awesome it is at extra stuff if it can't fulfill the basic requirements of a decent entry level mouse.
I will say it again: the crappiest chinese fingerprint readers out there cost $30 and up. A good ones, with proper encryption and fast, hi-res sensor cost around $100 or more.
I'm willing to bet a kidney (not my own, but a kidney) that most of the people around here never stepped foot in a big business office. One of the most popular office mice is this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Optical-Wheel-USB-...
Notice how big businesses don't actually care about giving you frills but functionality. And if you have to ask this mouse is probably not for you anyway ;).
Yup, keyboard, mouse & headphones are among the first things you'll change on your company supplied standard desk if you don't want to be miserable for the next 8 hours per day times however long you decide to stick around. Good peripherals are worth it at the office. But this, this is not it. If you need a fingeprint sensor, get it on your keyboard. The microsoft modern one is not too bad. But then again, I think most enterprises are using dongles and not fingerprints these days.
I'll keep it short with a few questions. a) "This isn't it" because you already saw 3 pictures of it, read a review, or actually used it? b) How much does a comparable dongle cost? c) The mouse sucks because it has "just" 3 buttons but a keyboard with no programmable buttons, no mechanical switches, tiny functional keys is worth it? d) Does the MS sensor have encryption? e) Do you think you're allowed to bring your own peripherals in those places where you need a hires fingerprint sensor with encryption? f) If most enterprises aren't doing something should all others just quickly switch for conformity?
Jeez, all ATers these days only think about the toys they have at home. This isn't a "consumer" mouse. It's not meant to replace your wireless gaming mouse with RGB and 50 buttons. You can always blow their mind with an expensive enterprise feature.
The Dell equivalent to that was the default mouse at my last job (~1500 people at its peak) given to new hires. I'd estimate somewhere between half and three quarters of the people I worked with either fought their way through the bureaucrazy to get a better one via the ergonomics program or just bought an alternative for their main system out of pocket. A significant fraction of the remainder used their laptops touchpad and stuffed their mouse in a drawer.
You of course realize WHY those mice are so common, right? It's not specifically BECAUSE they lack extra buttons, or they enjoy standardizing on limited equipment. It's because they're incredibly cheap. Something this mouse is not. So your counter example isn't relevant here. If one is going to spend this kind of money on a mouse, it should absolutely have the basic standard functions of a mouse even close to its price range. Also, probably shouldn't look like one you would get at a drug store.
You heard that Optane word here on AT and it sounded so cool you need to use it more? Yeah... AT is definitely not the place to go if you want to discuss about a product a 12 year old wouldn't use...
RGP lighting, thousands of DPI, adjustable weight, at least 15 buttons, this is what a business needs. Oh and wireless, especially in very sensitive business areas.
I actually spend just a few minutes a day being a dick to these guys. But I'm pretty sure most of those guys are pussies. With all that hiding from providing a real argument. Happy?
I agree with most of the points you make, I still wish they had at least 4 programmable buttons. I keep my G602's side buttons set to Copy, Paste, Enter, Backspace, DPI Shift and Show desktop. Very useful way to set a gaming mouse for using in office situations. What do you reckon is the difference between a gaming optical sensor such as the 2500DPI sensor in the G602 and as you call it, a "professional level optical sensor"? Would you say a professional level optical sensor is in any way different than a gaming optical sensor?
Does your G602 have a premium fingerprint reader in it? Was that G602 given to you as standard company mouse? The most popular mice issued as standard by most companies are simple 2 buttons + scroll affairs, with a run of the mill optical sensor. A professional sensor is vastly different than a gaming sensor. The professional one is designed to give professionals what they need to work. A gaming sensor is designed to give you some big numbers so gamers can tattoo them an their e-peen. That's why people making a living with this can work with 1500DPI but most gamers need 15000DPI. Like having a 4K res on a 5" screen and insisting you can make a difference.
Isn't this like complaining that server machines are crap because they're noisy and you need a rack-mount? I can't help notice everybody thinks that if a product is not for them then it's probably a failure. Like somebody who was asking a while ago why pay over $2000 on a Lenovo Carbon X1 when you can buy "an Acer gaming laptop for $800".
Hell no, they would have me use a wired 3 buttons POS but I'm not having it, I bring my G602 from home. In terms of sensor, was asking about accuracy - is a professional sensor better or worse than a gaming sensor? The DPI issue.. I use the G602 on my home laptop @ 1600DPI on a 4k screen and 800DPI at work on a Full HD monitor. It depends on how big the screen resolution is, if you have a 4k screen and a 800DPI mouse & you don't like moving the mouse all the way across the mousepad to reach the other side of the screen then look for higher DPI mice. I have to admit though, I don't know how one would use 15k DPI even on a 8k screen.
What is a professional sensor anyway? The closest I can think up from the top of my head would be that darkfield thing Logitech uses in their business mice, and it just as well can be installed into a gaming mouse, DPI and acceleration specs allow it.
It's like most professional things: not focusing on paper specs but enough to do the job well. This is what really confuses most people.
"why is this 1500DPI mouse so expensive when my gaming mouse has 15000DPI?" "Why is that 4K professional camera so expensive when my $300 phone can film 4K?" "Why is that mouse (that includes a FIPS 201 PIV certified fingerprint sensor with encryption) so expensive when I can get a gadgety token and a wireless gaming mouse for the same price on Amazon?"
So instead of buying a $100 mouse with a very good fingerprint sensor integrated you advocate buying $500 insecure smartphones, connecting them to your secure business desktops (because you don't really need such a mouse if security isn't important), and use them as fingerprint readers. Oh, over bluetooth to make sure it's impossible for anyone to intercept it. That's ingenious...
If you wanted peace and quiet you'd be reading a book now. But here you are, passing valuable judgement based on 3 pics of a product you don't need or understand.
Are you one of those guys who thinks the iPhone X is garbage because he's seen a picture showing it's made of glass and it's also very expensive? Yeah, they definitely won't sell any now that you said it's garbage.
Truthfully speaking basic mouse functionality is there, it will move the pointer on the screen and you have left, right buttons and a scroll. That's basic. I guess this is a good mouse for a corporation due to it's added security, although I doubt we will see corporations giving employees $100+ mice. Most are using tokens and won't switch to fingerprint anyway.
There are platforms that still rely on fingerprint. And this isn't for all employees, it's for the ones that need it. It's a basic mouse with a great fingerprint reader.
Then it would be much better if they put the fingerprinter reader in keyboard, not mouse. Oh I happen to have several cherry MX keyboards by the way....
For a company that rigorously does ergonomics testing for their keyboards and keyswitches, and is formally providing ergonomic keyboards to German government workers, this doesn't look ergonomic for a mouse at all.
The two things they did right was a wide scroll wheel and integrating a fingerprint reader into the mouse, but the lack of segmented buttons, multi-piece/angular shell, lack of forward/back buttons, doesn't really inspire much confidence. I think I'd rather have a separate USB fingerprint reader (if that was what was required for secure logins, as opposed to PIV/Smart Card) and an ergonomic mouse (or trackball if that's what you prefer).
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Hurr Durr - Saturday, December 2, 2017 - link
That hump looks downright painful to use.qlum - Saturday, December 2, 2017 - link
Looking at this mouse I'd much rather have a € 50 fingerprint scanner and a € 50 mouse then spend € 110 on this thing.etamin - Saturday, December 2, 2017 - link
no back buttonDanNeely - Saturday, December 2, 2017 - link
3 button mouse, intrinsically trash grade, needs to be $20 or less.ddrіver - Saturday, December 2, 2017 - link
Do the price and the quality increase with button count for you? And could you tell the "intrinsic trash level" just by looking at 3 pictures? I mean do I want to know why you're an expert in trash-grade stuff? No, don't tell me.Maybe everybody should like what a prepubescent kid likes: a 55 button "gaming" mouse. What other objections could you have? Maybe "no RGB lighting", or "doesn't look like a spaceship"?
Every $20 (or less) mouse out there has a premium fingerprint sensor and professional level optical sensor right?
Some of the crappiest USB fingerprint readers retail for over $30 but by all means, someone should put a vastly better one in a mouse and sell you the package for "$20 or less". Better yet, they should also GIVE you $20... to buy some comments that look like they came from a brain, not a hoof.
peterfares - Saturday, December 2, 2017 - link
Haha the mouse may not be trash quality but missing those buttons is way more inconvenient than just having an external USB fingerprint reader. I'd never buy a mouse with less than 5 buttons.ddrіver - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
I'd never name my kid Peter but it doesn't really mean people should change their names.BvO - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
It's always painful to see you talk out of your ass, but justifying this price tag on a mouse that lack forward/back buttons it crazy even for you, despite the price of a finger print sensor. Can't really blame you though, since you think the crappy lenovo mouse you linked is used for some other reason than price tag.ddrіver - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
You argumentation is overwhelming. So what if a comparable fingerprint reader is about $130-150...Would you buy it if it had 2-3 more buttons? Guess not. If only people could make a career from complaining about things that aren't for them and they don't understand.
Diji1 - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
> If only people could make a career from complaining about thingsYeah you'd be set for life if that happened.
BvO - Tuesday, December 5, 2017 - link
All your replied are absolute nonsense. "Hurdur muh fingerprint scanner price"Make it 5$ more expensive and actually turn into a good office mouse.
DanNeely - Saturday, December 2, 2017 - link
Without the forward and back buttons it's lacking key functionality of any good mouse from the last 15+ years. It doesn't matter how awesome it is at extra stuff if it can't fulfill the basic requirements of a decent entry level mouse.ddrіver - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
I will say it again: the crappiest chinese fingerprint readers out there cost $30 and up. A good ones, with proper encryption and fast, hi-res sensor cost around $100 or more.I'm willing to bet a kidney (not my own, but a kidney) that most of the people around here never stepped foot in a big business office. One of the most popular office mice is this one: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-Optical-Wheel-USB-...
Notice how big businesses don't actually care about giving you frills but functionality. And if you have to ask this mouse is probably not for you anyway ;).
igavus - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
Yup, keyboard, mouse & headphones are among the first things you'll change on your company supplied standard desk if you don't want to be miserable for the next 8 hours per day times however long you decide to stick around. Good peripherals are worth it at the office. But this, this is not it. If you need a fingeprint sensor, get it on your keyboard. The microsoft modern one is not too bad. But then again, I think most enterprises are using dongles and not fingerprints these days.ddrіver - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
I'll keep it short with a few questions.a) "This isn't it" because you already saw 3 pictures of it, read a review, or actually used it?
b) How much does a comparable dongle cost?
c) The mouse sucks because it has "just" 3 buttons but a keyboard with no programmable buttons, no mechanical switches, tiny functional keys is worth it?
d) Does the MS sensor have encryption?
e) Do you think you're allowed to bring your own peripherals in those places where you need a hires fingerprint sensor with encryption?
f) If most enterprises aren't doing something should all others just quickly switch for conformity?
Jeez, all ATers these days only think about the toys they have at home. This isn't a "consumer" mouse. It's not meant to replace your wireless gaming mouse with RGB and 50 buttons. You can always blow their mind with an expensive enterprise feature.
DanNeely - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
The Dell equivalent to that was the default mouse at my last job (~1500 people at its peak) given to new hires. I'd estimate somewhere between half and three quarters of the people I worked with either fought their way through the bureaucrazy to get a better one via the ergonomics program or just bought an alternative for their main system out of pocket. A significant fraction of the remainder used their laptops touchpad and stuffed their mouse in a drawer.TheTurboFool - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
You of course realize WHY those mice are so common, right? It's not specifically BECAUSE they lack extra buttons, or they enjoy standardizing on limited equipment. It's because they're incredibly cheap. Something this mouse is not. So your counter example isn't relevant here. If one is going to spend this kind of money on a mouse, it should absolutely have the basic standard functions of a mouse even close to its price range. Also, probably shouldn't look like one you would get at a drug store.Lord of the Bored - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
If it stores the fingerprint profiles in an onboard Optane SSD, it is worth every penny.ddrіver - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
You heard that Optane word here on AT and it sounded so cool you need to use it more? Yeah... AT is definitely not the place to go if you want to discuss about a product a 12 year old wouldn't use...RGP lighting, thousands of DPI, adjustable weight, at least 15 buttons, this is what a business needs. Oh and wireless, especially in very sensitive business areas.
Death666Angel - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
Dude, you have way too much time. Stop being a dick to everyone around here, even if their comments are a bit off.ddrіver - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
I actually spend just a few minutes a day being a dick to these guys. But I'm pretty sure most of those guys are pussies. With all that hiding from providing a real argument. Happy?renegade800x - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
I agree with most of the points you make, I still wish they had at least 4 programmable buttons. I keep my G602's side buttons set to Copy, Paste, Enter, Backspace, DPI Shift and Show desktop. Very useful way to set a gaming mouse for using in office situations.What do you reckon is the difference between a gaming optical sensor such as the 2500DPI sensor in the G602 and as you call it, a "professional level optical sensor"? Would you say a professional level optical sensor is in any way different than a gaming optical sensor?
ddrіver - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
Does your G602 have a premium fingerprint reader in it? Was that G602 given to you as standard company mouse? The most popular mice issued as standard by most companies are simple 2 buttons + scroll affairs, with a run of the mill optical sensor.A professional sensor is vastly different than a gaming sensor. The professional one is designed to give professionals what they need to work. A gaming sensor is designed to give you some big numbers so gamers can tattoo them an their e-peen.
That's why people making a living with this can work with 1500DPI but most gamers need 15000DPI. Like having a 4K res on a 5" screen and insisting you can make a difference.
Isn't this like complaining that server machines are crap because they're noisy and you need a rack-mount? I can't help notice everybody thinks that if a product is not for them then it's probably a failure. Like somebody who was asking a while ago why pay over $2000 on a Lenovo Carbon X1 when you can buy "an Acer gaming laptop for $800".
renegade800x - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
Hell no, they would have me use a wired 3 buttons POS but I'm not having it, I bring my G602 from home. In terms of sensor, was asking about accuracy - is a professional sensor better or worse than a gaming sensor?The DPI issue.. I use the G602 on my home laptop @ 1600DPI on a 4k screen and 800DPI at work on a Full HD monitor. It depends on how big the screen resolution is, if you have a 4k screen and a 800DPI mouse & you don't like moving the mouse all the way across the mousepad to reach the other side of the screen then look for higher DPI mice.
I have to admit though, I don't know how one would use 15k DPI even on a 8k screen.
Hurr Durr - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
What is a professional sensor anyway? The closest I can think up from the top of my head would be that darkfield thing Logitech uses in their business mice, and it just as well can be installed into a gaming mouse, DPI and acceleration specs allow it.ddrіver - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
It's like most professional things: not focusing on paper specs but enough to do the job well. This is what really confuses most people."why is this 1500DPI mouse so expensive when my gaming mouse has 15000DPI?"
"Why is that 4K professional camera so expensive when my $300 phone can film 4K?"
"Why is that mouse (that includes a FIPS 201 PIV certified fingerprint sensor with encryption) so expensive when I can get a gadgety token and a wireless gaming mouse for the same price on Amazon?"
WorldWithoutMadness - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
$110...Oh lord. Nowadays phone have FP, why can't microsoft utilize that using API, let's say connect it via usb or bluetooth?
ddrіver - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
So instead of buying a $100 mouse with a very good fingerprint sensor integrated you advocate buying $500 insecure smartphones, connecting them to your secure business desktops (because you don't really need such a mouse if security isn't important), and use them as fingerprint readers. Oh, over bluetooth to make sure it's impossible for anyone to intercept it. That's ingenious...One of your parents was a melon, right?
sonny73n - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
@ddriverThe comment section was nice and peaceful while you were gone. What brings you and your trash talk back here?
Btw this mouse is one overpriced garbage.
ddrіver - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
If you wanted peace and quiet you'd be reading a book now. But here you are, passing valuable judgement based on 3 pics of a product you don't need or understand.Are you one of those guys who thinks the iPhone X is garbage because he's seen a picture showing it's made of glass and it's also very expensive? Yeah, they definitely won't sell any now that you said it's garbage.
Xajel - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
Logitech should have a dual connection wireless backlit keyboard with built in fingerprint scannernerd1 - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
What's the point of fingerprint reader if the mouse lacks the basic functionality?renegade800x - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
Truthfully speaking basic mouse functionality is there, it will move the pointer on the screen and you have left, right buttons and a scroll. That's basic.I guess this is a good mouse for a corporation due to it's added security, although I doubt we will see corporations giving employees $100+ mice. Most are using tokens and won't switch to fingerprint anyway.
ddrіver - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
There are platforms that still rely on fingerprint. And this isn't for all employees, it's for the ones that need it. It's a basic mouse with a great fingerprint reader.nerd1 - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
Then it would be much better if they put the fingerprinter reader in keyboard, not mouse.Oh I happen to have several cherry MX keyboards by the way....
JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, December 4, 2017 - link
For a company that rigorously does ergonomics testing for their keyboards and keyswitches, and is formally providing ergonomic keyboards to German government workers, this doesn't look ergonomic for a mouse at all.The two things they did right was a wide scroll wheel and integrating a fingerprint reader into the mouse, but the lack of segmented buttons, multi-piece/angular shell, lack of forward/back buttons, doesn't really inspire much confidence. I think I'd rather have a separate USB fingerprint reader (if that was what was required for secure logins, as opposed to PIV/Smart Card) and an ergonomic mouse (or trackball if that's what you prefer).