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  • versesuvius - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    First!
    Now to reading the article.
  • DigitalFreak - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Your mother should be proud that you finally accomplished something in life.
  • mukiex - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves now.
  • Ironchef3500 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    :)
  • bigboxes - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Shutup MEG!
  • shabby - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Lol don't think msi thought of family guy when naming these boards.
  • philehidiot - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    Shut up Wesley?
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  • DanNeely - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Am I the only person who thinks the IO panel is a dangerous place for a clear CMOS button? Seems way to easy to wipe your settings while reaching from the front and fumbling around trying to plug something in.
  • Peter2k - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    First
    One could connect the board with the front USB ports of the case
    It's rare to find a case that has no frontal USB
    If you're attaching some new usb thingy more permanently to the back, you could turn the case a little or something

    Second
    Its clear comes button is next to the wifi cable
    The layout should make it clear you're not next to USB at all

    Third
    Those buttons are not sticking out of the I/O cover, and an USB plug is too wide to accidentally be pushed into them

    Lastly, I'm not aware of any complaints from users about such buttons
    It's not a new or unique feature at all
  • Peter2k - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Btw
    You could also save your current settings and even if you do wipe them by accident, you can load them again
  • DanNeely - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Anything semi-permanently attached gets plugged in the rear to keep the cabling mess out of the way. Front ports are for thumb drives and the like.

    If the system's awkwardly placed such that I can't see it, I'm probably looking for ports by touch and the buttons are finger sized. A year after the last time I've seen the back I have no idea how the ports are arranged, and am generally starting from the top and working my way down, top ports are easier to access from above so I normally fill the bottom ones first and leave the top USB open for later. The cable plug isn't going back until I've found the right location. Starting by scraping a plug around until you find something big enough for it to fit into is a good way to end up with a USB plug stuck in the second ethernet socket by accident.
  • Mr Perfect - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    No, it's not just you. My mobotherboard has a rear panel BIOS reset and I've only pressed it twice in five years. Both times where accidental.

    I probably shouldn't admit to that...
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Yeah. I always wished they would put some type of flip cover on these so you don't mess up and hit them by accident.
  • 12345 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Just save a profile to local storage.
  • peevee - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Way too expensive. For comparison, for that price you can buy a basic laptop with a motherboard and WiFi, but also:
    1) CPU with iGPU
    2) Memory
    3) Display
    4) Battery
    5) Disk
    6) Case
    7) Charger

    Oh the times when I could buy a microATX MB for $50 and spend money on what actually matters...
  • HighTech4US - Sunday, July 21, 2019 - link

    Agree way too expensive.

    I just purchased a ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard for only $74.99 from NewEgg and an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 for $199.99 and Team T-Force Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) 3200 (PC4 25600) for $39.99. Total $314.97

    So I got an entire CPU/Motherboard/Memory for less than this motherboard alone.
  • regsEx - Thursday, August 1, 2019 - link

    Agreed. The red price is $280, yet only if had 10 GbE controller and 20 Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 controllers. If no, the $250.
  • Daveteauk - Thursday, April 9, 2020 - link

    Dan Neely - Yes, you are the only person who thinks that - it's a great help and addition to an IO plate - REALLY helpful. If you're too clumsy, or lazy to pull your case, then you shouldn't be playing around with PCs!
  • Sparkyman215 - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Why are certain seemingly random portions of the article specifically tagged a certain color? The body <p> tags are #444 but some snippets are set to rgb(68,68,68) (which is #444) in the same <p> tag. I know it literally doesn't matter to anyone but I noticed it and it's weird haha
  • yeeeeman - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Dear Anandtech, not everyone needs PCIe 4.0 and these gimmicky motherboards. Also, not everyone has over 200$ to throw, so please test all new Ryzens on B350 motherboards.
  • Showtime - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Yeah pricing is high IMO. I want to go AMD, but I can't justify spending $200 on motherboard for a $200 CPU. Some people have had to do some work to get the older, cheaper motherboards to work right after the bios update. Guess I'll wait and see. Not like my old Intel is slow.
  • Holliday75 - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    I am of the opinion that unless you plan on buying a new PC in the next several years after putting a 3000 based system together then spend the money and get the x570 based board. There are cheaper models to choose from, but the PCI 4.0 support will be very nice to have down the road when GPU's are taking advantage of it. Having to upgrade a motherboard mid-ownership cycle would suck and eat up any savings you and then some by using a lower end board.

    If you already have one it looks like it works on most boards and the performance drop off is not that bad. In IT you pay now or pay later, but you always pay. I prefer up front to avoid it down the road when it tends to be more of a pain in the arse.
  • Irata - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Definitely agree with your comment.

    My plan is to get a good X570 mainboard now and use it with a Ryzen 3700x. Once the Ryzen 3000 series is EOL, I want to upgrade to a 3950x which hopefully can be had cheaper then.

    Looking at the reviews of PCIe 4 NVMe that are available right now, I see little point in getting one now, but will definitely upgrade to one once Samsung and others offer them.

    All of this I would like without having to replace the motherboard.
  • shabby - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    The 3900x works even on a320 boards but only hits around 3.7ghz tops. I honestly don't think these $300+ boards with trick vrm/phases are needed at all, these ryzen chips peak at 4.3ghz with liquid cooling. Even $200 boards should easily 16 cores at that speed.
  • Targon - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    The cost of PCI Express 4.0 is the reason for the high motherboard prices. You do get what you pay for when it comes to motherboards.
  • 29a - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    I almost always buy a super cheap Asrock or Biostar motherboard and never have any issues with speed or stability.
  • pavag - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    Maybe those motherboards are prepared for future processors, which need more power.
  • 29a - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    I agree I came here just to request reviews of cheap motherboards. Also an article addressing all the BIOS settings and detailed explanations on what they do on modern motherboards would be awesome too.
  • Targon - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    If you are looking to install a $500 CPU into a sub-$200 motherboard, you have a set of misplaced priorities. A low-end B350 motherboard may not have the VRMs to support the 105W processors, so you have to expect issues there. Also, many motherboard companies have been slacking when it comes to releasing AGESA 1.0.0.3ab based BIOS updates for older motherboards(Asus really needs to get its act together).
  • 29a - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    I wouldn't worry about stability or performance putting a 3700x in my $74 motherboard. You just need to make sure the CPU has been qualified by the vendor first and have a good quality power supply.
  • Death666Angel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    "you have a set of misplaced priorities" Or maybe you don't do your research properly? Why should I spend money on features I don't use? A lot of sub $100 motherboards support the new 12 core and the VRMs are fine. Some will even support the 16 core and depending on air flow the VRM will still be fine. If you know what you are doing, there is no need to overspend on the motherboard "just to be safe".
    Some people also have different need than you. I have an mATX case and want to keep it (ITX is too restrictive and ATX is too large for my tastes). The most expensive mATX motherboards with an X370 or B450 (only one X470 board from AsRack for workstations) is the ASUS TUF 450M-Pro (sub $100) and that is probably worse than the Mortar line from MSI unless you need a very specific feature. I could go ITX but then lose 2 DIMM slots, M.2 support is more limited, VRM support suprisingly is pretty decent. But I also lose the possibility of using an extra x4 or x1 slot for future upgrades (more USB lanes, LAN card, SATA ports). I've had instances where the onboard LAN or a couple USB ports died. It's handy to have some expansion capabilities if you have the room. If I don't need the internal power, reset buttons, why pay for them? If I don't need guaranteed 4600+ MHz, why pay for it? If I don't need ALC1220, why pay for it? If I don't need more than 8 USB ports on the IO panel or more than 1 LAN port, why pay for it? Often times you get more features, but not necessarily better or more useful features when you step up in pricing. The blanket statement I quoted is really kind of ignorant.
  • jabber - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Shhhh remember these sites have to justify their existence by pushing the concept of market churn even though most cases of tech were long since satisfied and we are largely just reheating leftovers for the past 10 years. These reviews really do cater to a ever dwindling number of tech users.
  • satai - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    ECC support?
  • Targon - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    There's been ECC support on motherboards since the first generation Ryzen showed up.
  • satai - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Not every mobo has it official / was tested.
  • Death666Angel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    The time it took to write those comments, you could have visited the website and look at the manual and provide a service to everyone.
    Here:
    "Supports non-ECC UDIMM memory
    Supports ECC UDIMM memory (non-ECC mode)
    Supports un-buffered memory"
  • Jansen - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    So that would be a no LOL
  • Dug - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    Please test the components of the motherboard, it's a motherboard review. Everyone can stick a cpu on the board and run tests. But we want to see if there are any issues or performance issues with the USB, network, sound, etc.
  • Irata - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    +1

    I would really like to see the USB performance (also CPU connected USB ports vs. chipset connected ones), the sound quality, network performance.

    But overall this is already imho a good review, but it would be better with more tests.
  • FreihEitner - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    It's a crying shame that X470 and X570 only rarely make it to mATX boards. At last count (that I've seen) there are more micronic mITX boards sporting X570 than there are reasonably sized mATX boards sporting X570. I think I've still only ever seen maybe 2 mATX X470 boards as well.

    Yes my mATX case CAN take an mITX board, but I actually use the second PCIe slot.
  • Death666Angel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    I've only seen one X470 mATX board from AsRack server. But unless you have some interesting PCIe card needs, I doubt 250€ makes much sense for it. :D What was the other one you saw?
    I'm also a die hard mATX defender, but from what I heard (Buildzoid) it doesn't sell well an manufacturers are not devoting a lot of RnD to it. I think there were a few mATX X570 announced way back when (or leaked) but so far only AsRock has delivered. B550 might come to the rescue, but I wanted a new system now (Haswell is getting long in the tooth), so I just got the MSI Mortar and am happy.
  • br83taylor - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    lack of SATA ports means this motherboard is DOA. What were they thinking....
  • notashill - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    They were probably thinking that people who use more than 4 SATA+3 NVMe drives are an incredibly tiny niche not worth catering to with this specific board.
  • FreckledTrout - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link

    I'm pretty sure 3 NVMe drives plus 4 SATA drives satisfies a vast majority of use cases for this type of motherboard.
  • DanNeely - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    The chipset IO lanes that could have powered 4 more sata ports would end up being shared with either the 3rd m.2 slot or the 3rd PCIe slot and that the cost of support tickets from people who got confused about using feature A disables feature B is higher than profit from the handful of people trying to use a near flagship level consumer motherboard to build a storage server.
  • pavag - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    I have a large collection of SATA drives which I want to keep running. Each time I replaced one HDD with SSD, I moved the disk to my desktop, so I care a lot for the quantity of SATA ports.
  • Qasar - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    um.. is everyone that is complaining about the prices of X570 boards, aware that there could be a B570 chipset still yet to come to target the lower price points of boards ? or has AMD stated that X570 is the only chipset for zen 2 ?
  • haukionkannel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Yes 550 is coming next year!
    But most b450 boards Are just fine for ryzen3000. Just check out the vrm and you will be fine.
  • Irata - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Also, the MSI MEG Ace's LGA1151 version is not really much cheaper
  • rocky12345 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    I am not sure about this "all at a fairly reasonable price." Since when is $369USD considered a reasonable price for a mid tier board? For us Canadians that translates to $483CAD and then if you factor in the retailers increase it becomes over $500CAD. Great review though thank you.
  • peevee - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Exactly. The price is totally unreasonable. It's a price for server MBs.
  • rocky12345 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    I made another post on this but since there is no edit function I am posting again on the post times for these new boards. 18-31 seconds before it even starts to boot to Windows ouch that is a long time. My current board form power press to Windows desktop only takes up to about 11-12 seconds and it also has a lot of features to setup after it posts to the screen. I have not been on an AMD platform for a very long time so maybe it is just an AMD thing and they take longer to get everything ready I am not sure. Maybe it is the same with the new Intel stuff as well.

    By the time these new boards get you to Windows on my current system I would have either had YT open and already playing a video or Netflix logged in and picking a movie or already reading an article from Anandtech site.
  • pavag - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    +1
  • Daveteauk - Thursday, April 9, 2020 - link

    Rocky - my ACE posts to DT in 14 seconds, and the OS is loaded. You must have done something wrong in BIOS or your setup.
  • beginner99 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    only 4 sata ports on a >$350 board is a no go. It's the only one in this price range with that limit. I currently have 2 ssds, 3hdds and a bluray connected via sata. Admittedly 1 ssd could go, and 1 hdd, bluray probably also but the one time every 2 years you need it...Anyway a asus Strix-e is cheaper and has no obvious downside to this board and 6 sata (or is it 8?). I'm aware some sata ports get disabled if you use multiple m.2 but having either option is clearly a plus.
  • rocky12345 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Yep same 4 ports would not be enough for me as well. Heck even my old z77x board supports up to 9 sata drives granted only 5 of those are Sata 6 the other 4 are only Sata 3 ports.
  • peevee - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Nobody in their right mind should use more than 2 SATA devices with a MB like that for Ryzen 3 CPUs. Did you also connect perforated tape readers to your Pentium 4?
    Your main SSDs should be PCIe 4.0 x4 for this MB to make sense, for example. 1 old BD + maybe, MAYBE some new 8TB+ HDD if you need to store a lot of RAW video. But maybe an external enclosure with RAID would be better, to turn it on only when needed.
  • pavag - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    I have 8 SATA drives connected.
  • rocky12345 - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link

    If you were replying to me I don't think I ever said what I had hooked up to the Sata ports. SO here goes I have a Samsung 860 Pro 512GB as my C drive and 3 4TB WD blacks hooked to the system as just pure storage and game drives. When I upgrade to a new platform I probably will go with a 1TB NMVe drive as my C drive and pick up 3 6TB WD blacks for storage.

    I may also installed a second cheaper 1TB NMVe drive in the second M.2 slot so can install most played games on that drive.
  • TheUnhandledException - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    How about the horrible lack of punch card reader support. 4 SATA is fine these days. The future is m.2 (or ideally also u.2 but that seems server only). I am glad that OEMs aren't wasting PCIe lanes putting in 6 or 8 or 10 SATA ports. If you really need 8 SATA ports then get an expansion card and connect all your drives to that.
  • rocky12345 - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link

    4 ports for most are fine even my own needs only need up to 4 ports since on my current system I have 1 Sata SSD and 3 Sata hard drives installed and got rid of the Blu-Ray drive a long time ago.

    I think the point being made was for this amount of money for the board it seems like they cut some of the features. I think I have seen other recent Ryzen boards with 6 sata ports maybe even 8 ports and cost less also. Right now I require up to 4 ports on my current system and have 5 ports free.

    In my next build I will only need 3 ports because of switching to NMVe m.2 SSD drive but I do plan on getting 3 hard drives for large storage needs because SSD drives can not match the price to storage size yet of a regular hard drive. My plan just like last time I got my drives is to get the fastest possible drives on the market in the consumer segment which is the WD Black drives. I probably will get 6TB drives this time around and would like to get the 8TB drives but they seem to be hard to find right now so 6TB will have to do I will just get 3 of them to fulfill my storage needs.
  • Tomyknee - Saturday, August 31, 2019 - link

    Thank you. Why does no one see this? This is the first new PCIe upgrade in a decade and people are fretting about 6gb SATA? Stay with a stinking X399 board if you are going to continue to use SATA
  • Azurael - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Are you ever planning to do native EFI post time? I'm not sure how relevant BIOS-emulation boot is any more.

    I certainly haven't had CSM enabled for about 5 years - just leaving it on, even if you're booting in EFI mode, easily doubles POST time on most of the Gigabyte boards I've used in that period - and that's without enabling AMI Fast/Ultra Fast boot mode where it doesn't bring up unnecessary things like AHCI and XHCI controllers which aren't hosting a boot device and will have to be initialised by the OS anyway.

    My current machine starts booting Windows about 2 seconds after I press the power button (which is much faster than any of the OEM machines I've observed booting in EFI mode and leads me to suspect that the relative differences between boards will be totally different in EFI mode.)
  • marcle - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    How much noise does the chipset fan make? Can I use the X570 chipset in an audio production environment that requires a (virtually) silent computer?
    Right now I've got an i7-4771 with 84w TDP that's inaudible in an insulated case, and stays under 60C (usually well under) even at load.
    How would the X570 fare in that situation?
  • DillholeMcRib - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Is there any reason why the vendors have gone from reasonably priced X470 boards to overbuilt Intel-level price gougers on X570?
  • zer0hour - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    Ridiculously priced motherboard.
  • Qasar - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link

    nope.. that would be MSI's godlike x570 board..
  • zer0hour - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    That one is even more ridiculous.
  • rocky12345 - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link

    Yes here in Canada the God like board goes for $950CAD to just over a grand depending on where you pick it up. Oh wait Newegg Canada has it on for a great sale price of $929.99CAD right now hurry everyone go out and get it while it is cheap....lol
  • pavag - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link

    I want to buy an X570 mother, but I'm worried about the integrated fan.
    Can it be replaced if broken? I do not want to discard an expensive mother because of a fan failure.

    Can you please attempt to replace the fan and report the results? Either a success or a fail will be very valuable, and something no other reviewer does. It would add a lot of value to Anantech.
  • Foeketijn - Sunday, July 21, 2019 - link

    I read the reason for the expensive x570 motherboards everywhere, PCI 4, 16 core proc.
    The PCI 4 is hard to quantify. I can't imagen the BOM being that much more. A hundred euro/dollar buys you quite a bit more copper than fits in a motherboard.
    And the 220W bulldosers where even more power hungry. And ran fine on 100 euro boards.

    I think 2 things might explain things.
    One AMD is presuring manufactors to push quality over price.
    Or the manufactors saw AMD prices being lower than the equivalent Intel, and thought that price difference can be ours.
  • rocky12345 - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link

    I heard the same thing this time around the board makers are putting on better VRM's to handle more load and the cost of the x570 is higher. They are also claiming because of PCIe 4.0 they have to do better pathways for better signalling. These are the claims anyway. I also think there is a huge greed factor involved as well driving the prices a bit higher. Oh and lets not forget that $1.50 chip set fan required to cool the x570 chip set.
  • Rizen - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link

    What is the point of all these comments complaining about price? It's one of the higher end boards in their X570 stack. If you want cheaper X570 boards they have them, this one is $169. https://www.anandtech.com/show/14161/the-amd-x570-...
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  • ShadowLich - Wednesday, July 24, 2019 - link

    I had this PBO problem... but faulty one is not ryzen 3000 but MSI Dragon Center.
    Dragon Center is messing with any PBO profile in the bios, stuck @3.6GHz on all core. Then PBO is only working if you activate it through RyzenMaster. Or else you uninstall Dragon Center, OneDC_SDK and forget about Mystic light! (found on reddit).
    New version of Dragon Center today beta testers needed!
  • Daveteauk - Thursday, April 9, 2020 - link

    ShadowLich - DC is a PoS. It hardly does anything it's supposed to, and each time there's Windoze update you have to get a new version from MSI or it falls over! These boards (MSI x570) are so buggy. BIOS will not update in DC. Live Update 6 is also a PoS - same issue with BIOS update there, it crashes the machine. As of April 2020, MSI are still asleep. DC and LU6 conflict with each other and the BIOS - it's a joke, on us. They know about these issues, but have done nothing! Tech support from MSI is really good, but their hands are tied by MSI 'engineers' being asleep. I'm on BIOS 1.70, and still everythings the same. And it's not just the ACE - I also have an x570 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi, which has all the same issues!
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  • Tomyknee - Saturday, August 31, 2019 - link

    I think this is an error, "The storage capability of the X570 Ace is also impressive, with support for one PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 drive from the CPU and two from the chipset."

    Is it not reversed? Two PCIe 4.0 x4 M.2 drive from the CPU and one from the chipset? See below from MSI's website:

    AMD® X570 Chipset
    4x SATA 6Gb/s ports
    2x M.2 slots (M2_2/ M2_3, Key M)1
    Support PCIe 4.0/ 3.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s
    Support 2242/ 2260 /2280 storage devices

    AMD® Processor
    1x M.2 slot (M2_1, Key M)1
    Supports PCIe 4.0 x4 (3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™)
    Supports PCIe 3.0 x4 (2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™/ Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics and 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Graphics)
    Supports 2242/ 2260 /2280/ 22110 storage devices
  • beardrinksbeer - Sunday, September 20, 2020 - link

    Why couldn't the I/O shield carry on the black/gold theme?
    Why have it red/black? Is it a redback spider?
    That, apart from not enough SATA ports, is what I didn't like about this mobo
    But I still will buy it with a 3800X and 32GB Corsair Dominators :p
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