Floptane. Just kidding. I think it is a great base layer product that needs some investment and implementation refinement.My 2c I think they need to build an ai into the cache that uses multi user data to predict what you are going to open next, rather than simply caching what you last opened.
"Intel's Optane DC Persistent Memory that attaches directly to the memory controllers of server CPUs"
Optane/3DXPoint is not directly attached to the memory controller like (unbuffered) DRAM. Optane DIMMs always use a controller chip for IO between CPU and Optane packages.
2nd gen 3D Xpoint was supposed to launch in Q4. Have Intel or Micron pushed that back? It'll be interesting to see the specs of an Intel 910p Optane SSD,.
Will this be called FLC? At this point the naming has become cumbersome beyond "multi level cell literally includes everything more than 1". And I think they should replace the first letter by a number: 1LC, ..., 5LC NAND.
Triple, Quad, Penta, Hexa, Hepta (this is where it kinda breaks down), Octa...
MLC was when they thought the separation is either [1] o [more]. Then quad because tetra would confuse 99% of regular users. But now I think they'l want to confuse regular users. Hence "here's your hepta-level cell SSD sir".
99.99% of regular users couldn't care less if it's MLC or hepta-LC. 99% wouldn't know the difference between a mechanical hard drive and an SSD. They go to bestbuy or dell.com and order whatever is being promoted the most at the moment.
Wow, what a joke 3D XPoint has become. So essentially Intel is completely pulling it from the consumer market then. With no real plans to increase production capacity they've managed to guarantee that it will only be available on the enterprise side to the puny niche market where customers have no competitive alternatives and are willing to pay the price. Must be nice to be able to afford to spend a decade+ and God only knows how much money developing the technology only to let it sit on the shelf and effectively provide a 0% ROI. Good job guys! Glad for the news though. At least those of us interested in the technology know we'd be just wasting our time waiting around for years for Intel to produce something interesting on the storage front.
It seems like the issue is power consumption. Also workloads. As a consumer you're not likely running massive in memory data stores. Also, software needs to be tweaked to really take advantage.
Hopefully they can shrink the process. Phase change memory really benefits from shrinking. That could offer a more interesting path to the consumer market. That, and only attaching it via dimm. The block interface just has too much overhead so it can't provide a large enough boost from top end nand
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Amandtec - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
Floptane.Just kidding. I think it is a great base layer product that needs some investment and implementation refinement.My 2c I think they need to build an ai into the cache that uses multi user data to predict what you are going to open next, rather than simply caching what you last opened.
MrPoletski - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
why not use optane as a fast cache for QLC SSD? Could really boost the random performance.edzieba - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
For both the above questions: They already do. chipset-side 'smart caching' is part of SRT, and H10 is QLC NAND with an Optane cache.brakdoo - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
"Intel's Optane DC Persistent Memory that attaches directly to the memory controllers of server CPUs"Optane/3DXPoint is not directly attached to the memory controller like (unbuffered) DRAM. Optane DIMMs always use a controller chip for IO between CPU and Optane packages.
Billy Tallis - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
Optane is not synonymous with 3D XPoint. I didn't say that 3D XPoint directly connects to the DRAM controller.Jansen - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
2nd gen 3D Xpoint was supposed to launch in Q4. Have Intel or Micron pushed that back? It'll be interesting to see the specs of an Intel 910p Optane SSD,.MrSpadge - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
"5 bit per cell NAND flash"Will this be called FLC? At this point the naming has become cumbersome beyond "multi level cell literally includes everything more than 1". And I think they should replace the first letter by a number: 1LC, ..., 5LC NAND.
haukionkannel - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
Yeah... and we need to teach customers that smaller is better in this case...msabercr - Thursday, June 18, 2020 - link
Depends on what you're looking for. If you want a 2TB SSD under $200, or an m.2 drive SLC/MLC is worse for those markets.close - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
Triple, Quad, Penta, Hexa, Hepta (this is where it kinda breaks down), Octa...MLC was when they thought the separation is either [1] o [more]. Then quad because tetra would confuse 99% of regular users. But now I think they'l want to confuse regular users. Hence "here's your hepta-level cell SSD sir".
p1esk - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
99.99% of regular users couldn't care less if it's MLC or hepta-LC. 99% wouldn't know the difference between a mechanical hard drive and an SSD. They go to bestbuy or dell.com and order whatever is being promoted the most at the moment.Magichands8 - Thursday, September 26, 2019 - link
Wow, what a joke 3D XPoint has become. So essentially Intel is completely pulling it from the consumer market then. With no real plans to increase production capacity they've managed to guarantee that it will only be available on the enterprise side to the puny niche market where customers have no competitive alternatives and are willing to pay the price. Must be nice to be able to afford to spend a decade+ and God only knows how much money developing the technology only to let it sit on the shelf and effectively provide a 0% ROI. Good job guys! Glad for the news though. At least those of us interested in the technology know we'd be just wasting our time waiting around for years for Intel to produce something interesting on the storage front.tuxRoller - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
It seems like the issue is power consumption.Also workloads. As a consumer you're not likely running massive in memory data stores.
Also, software needs to be tweaked to really take advantage.
Hopefully they can shrink the process. Phase change memory really benefits from shrinking. That could offer a more interesting path to the consumer market. That, and only attaching it via dimm. The block interface just has too much overhead so it can't provide a large enough boost from top end nand
Eliadbu - Sunday, September 29, 2019 - link
I'm waiting for multilayered and multi level cell optane then density will go up and price per GB will go down to near flash prices.