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  • timecop1818 - Friday, February 28, 2020 - link

    AMD: bugs, bugs, and more bugs.
  • Litzner - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    Well I have tried it. I am running Vega. First and foremost I had to drop the clock on my card a small amount, as I immediately experienced artifacting with this driver. Then after more extensive testing I had to roll back, 3 completely different games on 3 completely different engines were crashing in exactly the same manner. Rolled back to a Adrenaline 2019 driver package and all the problems went away. I doubt AMD will ever revert the 2020 control center, but it is universally hated, not only for stability but also for bloat, complexity, and overall design. As much as it pains me I am leaning towards nVidia for my next card, even if I have to pay more for the same performance.
  • lefty2 - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    Looking at comments on reddit you seem to be alone. For most people new update was a huge improvement: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/favtfv/radeo...
  • haukionkannel - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    So situation is getting better. Good to know!
  • silencer12 - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    I am on a RX 580 and no problems at all. :)
  • StevoLincolnite - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    Just checked. My Radeon RX 580 drivers are 1 and a half~ years out of date.
    Not updating though, because it's solid as a rock and meets my performance needs and expectations.
  • Cellar Door - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link

    This is simply untrue - check the AMD subreddit. No one has issues thus far with the new driver.

    Also the new GUI is very nice, sound like you re simply afraid of change. In which case the old school nvidia control panel is still around. Sell your Vega if is giving you issues.
  • del42sa - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link

    indeed, that´s AMD
  • Korguz - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link

    timecop1818, is that you ??
  • Guspaz - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link

    AMD has had buggy graphics drivers for decades. It's always been this way. I vaguely recall back in the Radeon 9700 days, ATI (this was before the AMD buyout) promised that they were going to change how they did driver development to solve their buggy driver issues.
  • Qasar - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link

    must just be specific issues then, i have had issues with both from time to time.
  • Korguz - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link

    heh, and yet, other people can say the same about nvidia's, go figure
  • Colin1497 - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    This 2020 release has not been their finest hour. In many ways the last 2019 drivers are still the best choice. That said, this does feel like progress.
  • clsmithj - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    I saw Witcher 3 mentioned in the report and know that I was definitely having issues playing that game with my RX 5700XT 50th Anniversary when I got to the Olegard rose mission. I will swap back in my RX 5700XT from my RTX 2080 to test this new driver. Hopefully they also fixed the full screen video file playback freeze. I'll test that too and be back here to post the results.
  • silencer12 - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    Give the results to AMD.
  • clsmithj - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    I'm back, they appeared to fixed all the issues I had, even got to play some The Division 2, with no issue provided I don't touch any of the Radeon overclock options.
  • HStewart - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    One thing I am curious about the driver support on my XPS 15 2in1 with 8705G with AMD created GPU - this cpu is being discontinue in my guess for Xe GPU in the future and I am curious because even though AMD created GPU, Intel is part of it. Where support will end up.
  • StevoLincolnite - Saturday, February 29, 2020 - link

    Support for any semi-custom designs were always going to be flaky at best.

    AMD may take the driver responsibility upon themselves like they have done with notebooks, but don't hedge your bets on it.
  • HStewart - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link

    Yes, that is likely reason the product idea is being discontinue and not planned in the future using that GPU type.
  • mrvco - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link

    Ran the cleanup utility and installed these driver's when they became available. So far so good. No more black screen crashes and no other issues.
  • Gunbuster - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link

    Vega owners going from drivers 19.X to 20.X they removed the GUI option to lock off HBM power state 0 so now you get to edit in the config XML to keep the black screen crashes at bay...
  • Korguz - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link

    do you have to go to the windows store to get the control panel for amds drivers like you almost have to do for the nvidia control panel ?
  • clsmithj - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link

    No there isn't, and I found from experiencing this recently switching my RX 5700XT and RTX 2080 cards around if you install the original 441.41 dch WHQL driver AFTER installing the 441.41 RP version, Select custom install and elect the option for CLEAN installation it will install 441.41 DCH WHQL with no issue and you will have the DCH Nvidia Control Panel included.

    Not sure what drove NVIDIA and M$ to suddenly make this change, in my case the Microsoft Store Nvidia Control Panel never would launch when trying to access it. I didn't even know it existed until I noticed Win10 1909 was auto installing the NVIDIA panel while I was trying to DDU clean install my NVIDIA drivers. Plus Win10 1909 was outright rejecting the install of the 441.41 DCH WHQL, forcing me to use a repackaged version labeled 441.41 WHQL RP, when I knew full well I had no issues in the past uses the older version on either my RTX 2080 or my GTX 1660Ti without issue.
    Long story short, disable the auto-install feature Windows Device Manager does from Device Installation Settings under the System Settings window.
    Check the Win10 App window (not the classic Program & Features window) and remove any NVIDIA installed app that was auto installed.

    Then run the 441.41 WHQL DCH driver and do a clean install. You will be back to normal Nvidia operation, your NVIDIA panel will open up to it's usual lightning quick.
  • Qasar - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link

    i just re did 2 comps, format and install win10, and had a hell of a time trying to get the nvidia control panel back. tried different driver versions and the latest.

    did you just update, or was it a fresh install of win10 as well ?
  • clsmithj - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link

    No reinstall of Windows 10, or update. My version been at Win10 v1909 prior to discovering Nvidia panel is now being loaded by Microsoft (or force you to download from the Store).

    Here's the order you should try if you haven't.

    1. Run the DDU to completely remove the NVIDIA GPU drivers.
    2. After reboot and login, check and see if Windows is automatically installing the NVIDIA driver. This is where it can get tricky.
    If Windows is installing the driver automatically you have to A. Check the Device Installation setting window and make sure you have the 'No' option selected for if you want to automatically download manufacturers apps and custom icons.... This window is in the System Properties > Hardware > Device Install Settings.
    B. Go to Device Manager if you see the NVIDIA graphics card present and you haven't ran the old driver installer yet then it's likely the auto-installed component. Right-click and Uninstall device. MAKE SURE you check the box to delete the driver.
    C. Check the Apps & features window (Start > Gear symbol > Apps) scroll down and look for NVIDIA listed component. Remove those components. (Assuming you already removed any NVIDIA driver components from Program and Features window doing the DDU, you can double check that by: Right-Click Start button > Run > appwiz.cpl ENTER)

    3. Install the NVIDIA driver component. In my case I had installed a newer release of an old version. https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx...
    This version is what I think is forced on users who updated Win10 to v1909, as the previous release of 441.41 found here will fail to install if you have v1909. http://in.download.nvidia.com/Windows/441.41/441.4...

    If you have did all the steps listed above, then installing the newer RP driver is needed, this will prompt you to install the NV Control panel from the Microsoft Store. Ignore that message.

    You do not want that version. (It never launched for me when I used it)

    So after doing all the steps above. I then ran the OLDER 441.41 driver next after completing the RP 441.41. (If you install the older 441.41 first, Win10 v1909 will not reject the install in Setup)

    In the installation of the older 441.41 driver you need to select CUSTOM Install and choose the Clean Installation checkbox.
    This will remove the RP 441.41 driver you installed earlier and replace it with the older 441.41. The old version includes the DCH NVIDIA Control Panel like all the previous NVIDIA drivers.

    Then you are all set.
  • clsmithj - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link

    In that last parenthesis I made a type, I meant (If you attempt to install the old 441.41 driver before the RP driver on v1909 of Win10, the Setup old 441.41 will fail), you have to install the RP version first, then run the old version.
  • Qasar - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link

    this the same for a fresh install where no drivers are installed other then the default basic one that are installed with win 10 ?? cause that was my question, but you seem to be only talking about updating drivers :-)

    either way, to have to do all that just to install drivers, and a part of those drivers that should be installed at the same time is bs. and the average user, while might be able to redo their comp, may not know how how to do all that. and one should not have to go through all that bs to install it, either.
  • clsmithj - Friday, March 6, 2020 - link

    Yes it would be the same for a fresh install with no drivers.
    If you have a fresh install of Win10 v1909, you won't be able to install the old 441.41 because as I mentioned the OS will cause the driver to fail. You will be forced to install the RP 441.41 or a newer version which does not have the DCH NVIDIA panel with the driver, and Windows by default will automatically install the NVIDIA panel from the Microsoft Store.

    This is the direction NVIDIA is going with their newest drivers. I merely provided steps to keep the old NVIDIA Control Panel and not the new MS Store one that in my case any many others doesn't work well, if not at all.
  • Qasar - Friday, March 6, 2020 - link

    pretty much tried all of that, and was a PITA to get the control panel when i reinstalled win10 on my i7 and my 3900x. could not get the control panel to install at all for some reason, " Windows by default will automatically install the NVIDIA panel from the Microsoft Store." yes and no, you still need to go to the windows store, search for it, and then clock install, but good news is, you dont need to create a MS account to get it.

    either way, the amount of people that absolutely HATE this control panel not being in the drivers any more, looks to be quite massive.

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