Agree: miners (at least with those with farms of any worth) get these by the pallets directly from distributors... so this is a double whammy for gamers; shocking but not shocking really!
I never understood this limitation. Ok, I can't mine with the latest driver(s)... But what prevents me to use an older driver version without limitations? If I want to mine I don't need to update at each driver release to get the latest features which I won't use.
Prior to this, there wasn't an RTX 3060 driver that didn't have the throttle implemented. Which is what makes this driver release so problematic: NVIDIA has made a mistake that they can never undo.
A "mistake" that can't be undone. How convenient for probably the best value mining card for some time. How convenient for a sector where the larger operators are highly profitable and buy GPU cards by the 1000s while operating on the edge of legality.
As the article stated, this driver benefits small miners most, since large mining farms don't run on Windows. Sorry to see Nvidia expending developer resources to cripple their own cards.
I can easily write code to tell the driver I am running what ever video card I want in linux or windows. This is so dumb. Nvidia is running a fools errand.
The solution is Nvidia needs to make specialty cards that perform better on $/hash/watt by focusing some hardware specific tensor cores, firmware for mining and marketing those specific cards to miners. When the difference between those cards and the commodity GPU'S is >20% the regularly gpus will be unattractive to miners
Didn't it just kneecap Etherium mining and get cracked pretty quickly anyway? I'm not sure this will make a big difference at this point. If Nvidia is serious about pushing miners to its crypto products then they'd have to implement this at the hardware/firmware level.
It really needs to be emphasized (constantly) that both AMD and nVidia have 100% control over selling their GPUs. I don't think the problem is the miners, because they're getting scalped like everyone else. There's no "magic store" for miners where unlimited stocks appear on demand out of the ether...;) But if the miners are getting first dibs on the GPU supply then it is because AMD and nVidia are deliberately giving it to them. But I don't think so. I think what is happening is a manufacturing shortage that for some reason neither AMD nor nVidia is anxious to openly discuss. It's doubly fascinating as it involves two separate FABs, one in S. korea and one in Taiwan.
I mean there are manufacturing shortages going on, that's well documented in the industry and neither AMD nor nV has been shy to speak about it. But that does not change the fact that miners snap up every available GPU they can find, and there are more of them than there are gamers in the market attempting to get a new card so here we are.
As you point out there is not some secret mining store out there, which also means AMD and nV have nothing to do with who is buying their product, they sell to the channel and the channel just puts them up for sale with few controls.
Fabs are expensive to setup and operate. Why would you setup a new fab to meet the peak of volatile demand? You know when crypto bursts again, there's going to be a flood of cheap used cards on the market anyways.
And anyways, there is something like 30% shortfall of silicon right now. It's not just AMD and nVidia that have silicon shortage. Other products, like cars, have also stopped their production lines because they can't get their controller chips.
2020 was fucked 2021 is fucked Even if there was corporate will to increase silicon and fab capacity, there's no way they can get it up and running by the end of this year.
Stop hyper focusing on one aspect and look at the bigger picture.
As far as the manufacturing shortage, you are right that it exists, but wrong that they won't openly discuss it. They've been discussing it for months. Just look at any of the investor calls or analyst days. Just as one example: From a recent Seeking Alpha article: In a Seeking Alpha interview, Nvidia's CFO Colette Kress stressed that there had been strong demand for Ampere GPUs and supply remains tight. "We expect the overall channel inventories, meaning the inventories that are with our AIC partners as well as in our e-tail and retail channels will likely remain lean throughout Q1 (April)." "Our overall capacity has not been able to keep up with that overall strong demand that we have seen. We've seen in terms of constraints, constraints really from the overall global surge of compute and the overall capacity, capacity that may be necessary for assembly and test and/or subtrates as well."
You must have missed a page from, "how reality works", because you are completely wrong when it comes to the video card market. Both AMD and NVIDIA sell the GPU chips themselves to the companies that make the video cards. They do not make the cards, then give them to the video card makers to modify, they provide ONLY the actual GPUs, and MAYBE a supply of video memory chips, or some help in that area. The custom PCBs, coolers, and actually assembling the video cards are all handled by each video card maker on their own.
So, how much does it cost to actually take that GPU, mount it on a PCB, add the video memory, all of those other elements on there for power, and of course the cooler, connectors, and such? That's all free, with AMD and NVIDIA just getting all the money?
So, once the GPU is shipped by AMD and NVIDIA to these video card makers, the only thing AMD and/or NVIDIA can do is try to push these companies to sell to consumers. If the video cards go to DISTRIBUTORS, and the distributors at that point sell direct to miners instead of retail outlets, that is several layers of the process disconnected from AMD and NVIDIA.
"both AMD and nVidia have 100% control over selling their GPUs"
That's not how it works. AMD & Nvidia sell GPU dies to manufacturers. Manufacturers build those into cards, and sell the cards to distributes. Distributers sell the cards to retailers. Retailers sell the cards to the public. If you have big pockets (in order to place a big order), you may be able to convince a distributer to sell to your directly. If you're REALLY big ('We're Dell, we want to buy 5 million cards shipped x at a time over y years'), you may be able to talk to the manufacturer directly.
'Home' miners are buying from retailers. 'Industry' miners are mostly mining on ASICs, but if they've branched out into Etherium - for the brief period in the next year or so while that is still viable before PoW is sunset - they may be able to place batch orders with distributors.
Yep you are correct not think. Nvidia and AMD want profits, they even disclosed how Ngreedia got a lump of cash from the mining boom and GPU shortage. Miners simply buy a Pallet load, that's no brainer. They will buy from all e-tailers, big logistic corporations and every single one is being profited from this mining craze.
PC HW customers ofc will be at loss because they are a simple nobody in this whole world of corporations wanting for profit. The only limiter that Nvidia should do is to ramp up the production and LIMIT the sale of GPUs. And we know both of them are not feasible to them and even if they can they won't limit the sale of GPUs, they cannot simply even dictate not to sell the pallet load to the miners. Damn it how can people be so fcking naive as if this bs miner limit blocks any of the mining craze...
On top on the other news, Samsung is saying Note this year won't make it because chip shortage haha LOL, and people want Nvidia GPUs on the same Samsung Fab, even TSMC Ryzen 5000 is limited supply, AMD's RDNA2 6000 RX is also having insane supply shortage, All these have many reasons - more customers wfh, more people buying new hw incl consoles, supply and demand shortage, mining craze for AMD GPUs (which are not castrated or not doesn't matter).
I forgot to mention, this whole Mining limiting business is whack. It's bad move from Nvidia, segregating GPUs which has absolutely ZERO effect in making PC HW buyers see more stock. If they want to do it, they should castrate it fully, why will they do that when it makes them billions ? Dumb gamers are eating it up, as if Ngreedia cares for them. Pathetic.
It should've been multi gpu limiter rather than hash rate limiter. See, if gamer wants to mine, they are welcomed. It's after all a service to the community. But gouging a wholeload of GPU for mining farm is just unethical. I mean everyone could join the mining and operate one in their own homes (which is the decentralized concept of cryptocurrency) but no.. Farmers bought a dozen if not hundreds of GPU that was meant for gamers and multiplies wealth more and more. That's just disgusting.
Sell everything you can possibly produce to folks that will pay whatever you ask, in big bulk quantities and don't need any fancy cosmetic stuff, most likely pay by direct bank transfers and probably play by big boy rules where you don't get warranties, you just get an agreement that initial failure rate will not exceed xxx and if it does then next run you get a bigger allowance.
Or have to spend more to add all kinds of stuff to make them "fancy" for "gamers" who then want to buy one or two at a time and then you have to worry about returns and customer service and payment fraud and all that stuff?
Then if you want to talk to the "virtuous gamers" or whatever they like to style themselves as, the economics are also interesting. Do you want to pay a lower price for a card that will devalue quickly and do nothing but play your games. Or do you want to pay a higher price for a card that despite the higher price, can pay for itself in a year by doing stuff in the background while you are not gaming, and then have a higher resale value when you want to upgrade? Or be able to continue to make you money in your spare system after you upgrade your primary system to a newer card? Being able to mine with your card is actually a better deal long term rather than getting a crippled card for cheap.
You might be confused, Nvidia and AMD don't make many video cards themselves. I think its mostly Sapphire, MSI, ASUS etc. that buy the chip from Nvidia, do the AIB and sell it at BestBuy. So miners would be doing bank transfers to ASUS for lets say MSRP+20% markup and ASUS or Newegg would pocket the cash.
AMD and Nvidia aren't making any extra money out of this, as all they have are chips which are useless to miners until they get put on a PCB with the DRAM.
Actually, I have heard of Nvidia getting kickbacks for inflated pricing last time we had a GPU shortage. At least at the time, it was confirmed that AMD was NOT getting a kickback.
In the AT article about the limit being placed in the driver several people spoke up and said that $$$$ from miners would be used to break or bypass the drivers lockout. The most popular way for this to be accomplished was a driver rewrite from scratch. It seems that that $$$$ has worked in a manner that was not expected.
First of all, the original mining limitation did nothing to help with the demand for the 3060 which sold out in minutes. Second, why aren’t gamers more mad about an idol purposely gimping their hardware? It’s not like anyone games 24/7, and any time your GPU isn’t gaming you might as well be using to to generate free money on the side. I have my gtx 1080 ti mining away 22 hours a day when I’m at work and asleep. I haven’t turned on my heater in weeks and I have over 100 dollars in Ethereum now. Gamers have every right to use their hardware as they see fit. I hope Nvidia gives up on this stupid tactic and just focuses on manufacturing more cards, meanwhile if you are a gamer in need of an upgrade, buy a GTX 10-series card to hold you over until the crypto market busts again (and it will bust eventually), and buy a cheap used 30-series cars for half price on EBay.
Cutting mining functionality is supposed to decrease demand and thus improve pricing.
Of course, the only reasons Nvidia has for wanting to do that are:
1. Stopping people from starting a 3rd GPU company, to provide good-quality competition rather than the trash-tier competition we've been treated to for so many years.
2. Reducing the number of people going for the 'console' scam, since those ship with AMD parts.
3. Generate consumer goodwill (brand mindshare). Well, given its monopolist power, it has very little incentive to worry much about this. A fake goodwill gesture (gimping mining, allegedly, then releasing a driver that bypassing the gimp) is apparently all it thinks is needed.
Yep people are really damn fools to root for 1/2 hashrate is going to do something to their procurement of GPUs. I wish ETH moves away from this whole PC HW BS, that will end in tears for miners but it's the logical path, but the even more logical is to block the pallet backyard sales of all stock.
Why nobody talks about that ? Limit the fcking GPU to 2/4 per house if they can. Not sell backyard sale, can Ngreedia stop it ? Nope. Do AIBs want to do the same ? Nope. Then why are we clamoring for some bs castration, well it's the nugamer crowd who lack thinking.
You can call any corporation 'greedia'. They are the antithesis of altruistic inventions.
Their goal is to increase margins as much as they can. That means delivering the least product value to customers as possible. To obtain that goal, they work toward monopolization.
Gimping and castrating GPUs is bad. No matter how you see it, I don't even mine because that will wear out the PCB and Silicon. But to those who do on their gaming rigs it's their wish. This was a bullshit move from Ngreedia, because they do not stop Scalping or limiting the Retail market. Period
If you want to prove it otherwise you are welcome, the mining cap didn't do SHIT to the mining craze, the only way is to stop the backyard sales in pallets to the miners. If you can take that hit of loss sure, but nobody will do it, that's how market / money / capitalism whatever you want to name works.
AMD didn't castrate their GPUs, why Nvidia is doing ? To lure idiotic fanboys or what...they should stop this bullshit lip service drama to the world. Some idiotic investor pressurzied them apparently to gimp the GPUs, today it's Daggerhashimoto tmrw it will be DLSS or whatver CUDA AI load you want to work based off the data it will block what then ?
I hope this whole facade of saving face from Ngreedia stops, I had respect for them during Maxwell but with Pascal they started putting vBIOS security and with Turing insane bs pricing and that security went to next level, now with Ampere all things plus you get bonus castrated performance. Utter bullocks.
Think why do you accept this gimping in the first place when the fucking pallet sales are NOT being blocked and not even covered anywhere damn it.
'Gimping and castrating GPUs is bad. No matter how you see it'
No, it's not.
It's irrational to think that staring at a wall instead of gaming, because you can't purchase the card is a better outcome than being able to purchase a card at a reasonable price because it has been 'gimped' and 'castrated' for mining.
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meacupla - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Well, it's not like you could buy a 3060 anyways, so big whoop.K_Space - Wednesday, March 24, 2021 - link
Agree: miners (at least with those with farms of any worth) get these by the pallets directly from distributors... so this is a double whammy for gamers; shocking but not shocking really!Oxford Guy - Saturday, March 27, 2021 - link
Well, it's not like Nvidia was serious about not using miners to increase margins to sucker gamers, so big whoop.xprojected - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Yes, and after buying the 3060 at retail or above, they'll make that one quick buck in 2-3 months, or maybe 4-5 months after the electric bill.HyperText - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
I never understood this limitation. Ok, I can't mine with the latest driver(s)... But what prevents me to use an older driver version without limitations? If I want to mine I don't need to update at each driver release to get the latest features which I won't use.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Prior to this, there wasn't an RTX 3060 driver that didn't have the throttle implemented. Which is what makes this driver release so problematic: NVIDIA has made a mistake that they can never undo.HyperText - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Got it, I missed this part. Thanks!Tomatotech - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
A "mistake" that can't be undone. How convenient for probably the best value mining card for some time. How convenient for a sector where the larger operators are highly profitable and buy GPU cards by the 1000s while operating on the edge of legality.haukionkannel - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Ups... did we release only for miners version of you driver to big audience...voicequal - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
As the article stated, this driver benefits small miners most, since large mining farms don't run on Windows. Sorry to see Nvidia expending developer resources to cripple their own cards.Supercell99 - Monday, March 22, 2021 - link
I can easily write code to tell the driver I am running what ever video card I want in linux or windows. This is so dumb. Nvidia is running a fools errand.Supercell99 - Monday, March 22, 2021 - link
The solution is Nvidia needs to make specialty cards that perform better on $/hash/watt by focusing some hardware specific tensor cores, firmware for mining and marketing those specific cards to miners. When the difference between those cards and the commodity GPU'S is >20% the regularly gpus will be unattractive to minersFatFlatulentGit - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Didn't it just kneecap Etherium mining and get cracked pretty quickly anyway? I'm not sure this will make a big difference at this point. If Nvidia is serious about pushing miners to its crypto products then they'd have to implement this at the hardware/firmware level.WaltC - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
It really needs to be emphasized (constantly) that both AMD and nVidia have 100% control over selling their GPUs. I don't think the problem is the miners, because they're getting scalped like everyone else. There's no "magic store" for miners where unlimited stocks appear on demand out of the ether...;) But if the miners are getting first dibs on the GPU supply then it is because AMD and nVidia are deliberately giving it to them. But I don't think so. I think what is happening is a manufacturing shortage that for some reason neither AMD nor nVidia is anxious to openly discuss. It's doubly fascinating as it involves two separate FABs, one in S. korea and one in Taiwan.Reflex - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
I mean there are manufacturing shortages going on, that's well documented in the industry and neither AMD nor nV has been shy to speak about it. But that does not change the fact that miners snap up every available GPU they can find, and there are more of them than there are gamers in the market attempting to get a new card so here we are.As you point out there is not some secret mining store out there, which also means AMD and nV have nothing to do with who is buying their product, they sell to the channel and the channel just puts them up for sale with few controls.
meacupla - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Fabs are expensive to setup and operate.Why would you setup a new fab to meet the peak of volatile demand?
You know when crypto bursts again, there's going to be a flood of cheap used cards on the market anyways.
And anyways, there is something like 30% shortfall of silicon right now.
It's not just AMD and nVidia that have silicon shortage.
Other products, like cars, have also stopped their production lines because they can't get their controller chips.
2020 was fucked
2021 is fucked
Even if there was corporate will to increase silicon and fab capacity, there's no way they can get it up and running by the end of this year.
Stop hyper focusing on one aspect and look at the bigger picture.
Yojimbo - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
No they don't have 100% control.Yojimbo - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
As far as the manufacturing shortage, you are right that it exists, but wrong that they won't openly discuss it. They've been discussing it for months. Just look at any of the investor calls or analyst days. Just as one example: From a recent Seeking Alpha article: In a Seeking Alpha interview, Nvidia's CFO Colette Kress stressed that there had been strong demand for Ampere GPUs and supply remains tight. "We expect the overall channel inventories, meaning the inventories that are with our AIC partners as well as in our e-tail and retail channels will likely remain lean throughout Q1 (April)." "Our overall capacity has not been able to keep up with that overall strong demand that we have seen. We've seen in terms of constraints, constraints really from the overall global surge of compute and the overall capacity, capacity that may be necessary for assembly and test and/or subtrates as well."Where do you come up with this stuff?
Targon - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
You must have missed a page from, "how reality works", because you are completely wrong when it comes to the video card market. Both AMD and NVIDIA sell the GPU chips themselves to the companies that make the video cards. They do not make the cards, then give them to the video card makers to modify, they provide ONLY the actual GPUs, and MAYBE a supply of video memory chips, or some help in that area. The custom PCBs, coolers, and actually assembling the video cards are all handled by each video card maker on their own.So, how much does it cost to actually take that GPU, mount it on a PCB, add the video memory, all of those other elements on there for power, and of course the cooler, connectors, and such? That's all free, with AMD and NVIDIA just getting all the money?
So, once the GPU is shipped by AMD and NVIDIA to these video card makers, the only thing AMD and/or NVIDIA can do is try to push these companies to sell to consumers. If the video cards go to DISTRIBUTORS, and the distributors at that point sell direct to miners instead of retail outlets, that is several layers of the process disconnected from AMD and NVIDIA.
DejayC - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Yes. Given the fact that Ford had to stop production of the f-150 due to chip shortages I doubt the fault lies with miners.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
One of the plethora of benefits for monopolists is that consumer goodwill is far less important to their bottom line.AMD and Nvidia can burn us again and again and we have no choice but to walk away from gaming or accept their bad terms.
The other choice, of course, is to stop being passive captives and fund a 3rd GPU company. And, no, I don't mean a dumpster fire like Intel.
edzieba - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
"both AMD and nVidia have 100% control over selling their GPUs"That's not how it works. AMD & Nvidia sell GPU dies to manufacturers. Manufacturers build those into cards, and sell the cards to distributes. Distributers sell the cards to retailers. Retailers sell the cards to the public. If you have big pockets (in order to place a big order), you may be able to convince a distributer to sell to your directly. If you're REALLY big ('We're Dell, we want to buy 5 million cards shipped x at a time over y years'), you may be able to talk to the manufacturer directly.
'Home' miners are buying from retailers. 'Industry' miners are mostly mining on ASICs, but if they've branched out into Etherium - for the brief period in the next year or so while that is still viable before PoW is sunset - they may be able to place batch orders with distributors.
Silver5urfer - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
Yep you are correct not think. Nvidia and AMD want profits, they even disclosed how Ngreedia got a lump of cash from the mining boom and GPU shortage. Miners simply buy a Pallet load, that's no brainer. They will buy from all e-tailers, big logistic corporations and every single one is being profited from this mining craze.PC HW customers ofc will be at loss because they are a simple nobody in this whole world of corporations wanting for profit. The only limiter that Nvidia should do is to ramp up the production and LIMIT the sale of GPUs. And we know both of them are not feasible to them and even if they can they won't limit the sale of GPUs, they cannot simply even dictate not to sell the pallet load to the miners. Damn it how can people be so fcking naive as if this bs miner limit blocks any of the mining craze...
On top on the other news, Samsung is saying Note this year won't make it because chip shortage haha LOL, and people want Nvidia GPUs on the same Samsung Fab, even TSMC Ryzen 5000 is limited supply, AMD's RDNA2 6000 RX is also having insane supply shortage, All these have many reasons - more customers wfh, more people buying new hw incl consoles, supply and demand shortage, mining craze for AMD GPUs (which are not castrated or not doesn't matter).
Silver5urfer - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
I forgot to mention, this whole Mining limiting business is whack. It's bad move from Nvidia, segregating GPUs which has absolutely ZERO effect in making PC HW buyers see more stock. If they want to do it, they should castrate it fully, why will they do that when it makes them billions ? Dumb gamers are eating it up, as if Ngreedia cares for them. Pathetic.hansip87 - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
It should've been multi gpu limiter rather than hash rate limiter. See, if gamer wants to mine, they are welcomed. It's after all a service to the community. But gouging a wholeload of GPU for mining farm is just unethical. I mean everyone could join the mining and operate one in their own homes (which is the decentralized concept of cryptocurrency) but no.. Farmers bought a dozen if not hundreds of GPU that was meant for gamers and multiplies wealth more and more. That's just disgusting.JamesAnthony - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
What is more profitable?Sell everything you can possibly produce to folks that will pay whatever you ask, in big bulk quantities and don't need any fancy cosmetic stuff, most likely pay by direct bank transfers and probably play by big boy rules where you don't get warranties, you just get an agreement that initial failure rate will not exceed xxx and if it does then next run you get a bigger allowance.
Or have to spend more to add all kinds of stuff to make them "fancy" for "gamers" who then want to buy one or two at a time and then you have to worry about returns and customer service and payment fraud and all that stuff?
Then if you want to talk to the "virtuous gamers" or whatever they like to style themselves as, the economics are also interesting.
Do you want to pay a lower price for a card that will devalue quickly and do nothing but play your games.
Or do you want to pay a higher price for a card that despite the higher price, can pay for itself in a year by doing stuff in the background while you are not gaming, and then have a higher resale value when you want to upgrade? Or be able to continue to make you money in your spare system after you upgrade your primary system to a newer card?
Being able to mine with your card is actually a better deal long term rather than getting a crippled card for cheap.
webdoctors - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
You might be confused, Nvidia and AMD don't make many video cards themselves. I think its mostly Sapphire, MSI, ASUS etc. that buy the chip from Nvidia, do the AIB and sell it at BestBuy. So miners would be doing bank transfers to ASUS for lets say MSRP+20% markup and ASUS or Newegg would pocket the cash.AMD and Nvidia aren't making any extra money out of this, as all they have are chips which are useless to miners until they get put on a PCB with the DRAM.
ballsystemlord - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
Actually, I have heard of Nvidia getting kickbacks for inflated pricing last time we had a GPU shortage. At least at the time, it was confirmed that AMD was NOT getting a kickback.ballsystemlord - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
In the AT article about the limit being placed in the driver several people spoke up and said that $$$$ from miners would be used to break or bypass the drivers lockout. The most popular way for this to be accomplished was a driver rewrite from scratch. It seems that that $$$$ has worked in a manner that was not expected.DejayC - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
First of all, the original mining limitation did nothing to help with the demand for the 3060 which sold out in minutes. Second, why aren’t gamers more mad about an idol purposely gimping their hardware? It’s not like anyone games 24/7, and any time your GPU isn’t gaming you might as well be using to to generate free money on the side. I have my gtx 1080 ti mining away 22 hours a day when I’m at work and asleep. I haven’t turned on my heater in weeks and I have over 100 dollars in Ethereum now. Gamers have every right to use their hardware as they see fit. I hope Nvidia gives up on this stupid tactic and just focuses on manufacturing more cards, meanwhile if you are a gamer in need of an upgrade, buy a GTX 10-series card to hold you over until the crypto market busts again (and it will bust eventually), and buy a cheap used 30-series cars for half price on EBay.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
You're not thinking deeply enough.Demand increase = price increase.
Functionality increase = demand increase = price increase.
Cutting mining functionality is supposed to decrease demand and thus improve pricing.
Of course, the only reasons Nvidia has for wanting to do that are:
1. Stopping people from starting a 3rd GPU company, to provide good-quality competition rather than the trash-tier competition we've been treated to for so many years.
2. Reducing the number of people going for the 'console' scam, since those ship with AMD parts.
3. Generate consumer goodwill (brand mindshare). Well, given its monopolist power, it has very little incentive to worry much about this. A fake goodwill gesture (gimping mining, allegedly, then releasing a driver that bypassing the gimp) is apparently all it thinks is needed.
Silver5urfer - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
Yep people are really damn fools to root for 1/2 hashrate is going to do something to their procurement of GPUs. I wish ETH moves away from this whole PC HW BS, that will end in tears for miners but it's the logical path, but the even more logical is to block the pallet backyard sales of all stock.Why nobody talks about that ? Limit the fcking GPU to 2/4 per house if they can. Not sell backyard sale, can Ngreedia stop it ? Nope. Do AIBs want to do the same ? Nope. Then why are we clamoring for some bs castration, well it's the nugamer crowd who lack thinking.
Oxford Guy - Saturday, March 27, 2021 - link
You can call any corporation 'greedia'. They are the antithesis of altruistic inventions.Their goal is to increase margins as much as they can. That means delivering the least product value to customers as possible. To obtain that goal, they work toward monopolization.
FakThisShttyGame - Tuesday, March 16, 2021 - link
I think someone in nvidia purposely did this loljabber - Monday, March 22, 2021 - link
Yeah this was done on purpose. Like they don't have sign off procedures etc. on this stuff.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
'NVIDIA accidentally released'I can accidentally sell you some nice Florida swampland, complete with accidental crocodiles.
Silver5urfer - Wednesday, March 17, 2021 - link
Gimping and castrating GPUs is bad. No matter how you see it, I don't even mine because that will wear out the PCB and Silicon. But to those who do on their gaming rigs it's their wish. This was a bullshit move from Ngreedia, because they do not stop Scalping or limiting the Retail market. PeriodIf you want to prove it otherwise you are welcome, the mining cap didn't do SHIT to the mining craze, the only way is to stop the backyard sales in pallets to the miners. If you can take that hit of loss sure, but nobody will do it, that's how market / money / capitalism whatever you want to name works.
AMD didn't castrate their GPUs, why Nvidia is doing ? To lure idiotic fanboys or what...they should stop this bullshit lip service drama to the world. Some idiotic investor pressurzied them apparently to gimp the GPUs, today it's Daggerhashimoto tmrw it will be DLSS or whatver CUDA AI load you want to work based off the data it will block what then ?
I hope this whole facade of saving face from Ngreedia stops, I had respect for them during Maxwell but with Pascal they started putting vBIOS security and with Turing insane bs pricing and that security went to next level, now with Ampere all things plus you get bonus castrated performance. Utter bullocks.
Think why do you accept this gimping in the first place when the fucking pallet sales are NOT being blocked and not even covered anywhere damn it.
Oxford Guy - Saturday, March 27, 2021 - link
'Gimping and castrating GPUs is bad. No matter how you see it'No, it's not.
It's irrational to think that staring at a wall instead of gaming, because you can't purchase the card is a better outcome than being able to purchase a card at a reasonable price because it has been 'gimped' and 'castrated' for mining.
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