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  • nandnandnand - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    https://www.tweaktown.com/news/78974/intel-in-nuts...
    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-seeks-doll...

    Intel is about to be handed billions in subsidies for new fabs. Is AMD getting anything or are they SOL for separating design and foundry?
  • bullzz - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Not just Intel. All chip manufactures are looking for subsidies. AMD doesn't get squat
  • Yojimbo - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Why would AMD get anything? They are not a chip manufacturer.
  • Morawka - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Plus AMD gave China keys to x86 and Zen 2 Arch, even though the US government told them not to. The USA needs lithography foundries to ensure national security. AMD shouldn't get subsidies if they aren't building fab capacity.
  • sgeocla - Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - link

    Stop spreading FUD. Intel tried to get into Chinese markets and made a joint venture with the Chinese company Spreadtrum to build x86 chips for Android devices in 2014, long before AMD's JV. So if anyone gave away x86 to the Chinese it was Intel. AMD only licensed Zen1 designs to their own JV and the dies were build on GF and only microcode was cusomised with Chinese encryption standards instead of US standards. Zen1 was considered to be an inferior design to the Intel designs so the US government did not consider it strategic. Zen2 was never a part of the JV deal.
  • timecop1818 - Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - link

    > Zen1 was considered to be an inferior design to the Intel designs so the US government did not consider it strategic.

    I mean, they're completely not wrong.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - link

    Har-de-har. No, they weren't wrong.

    What's tragic for Intel fans is that AMD are now 3 design iterations on from Zen 1, while Intel only just replaced Zen 1's Skylake competition on desktop... with an inferior design. Oof.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - link

    No, they didn't. This bullshit would be entirely irrelevant even if it were true.
  • sgeocla - Wednesday, May 5, 2021 - link

    It's completely true and very relevant. Intel entered the JV licensing deal with China first but people don't seem to remember because like a lot of other Intel ventures it completely failed, mostly due to 10nm being so late and unable to compete with TSMC. People need to stop reading WSJ payed for propaganda.
  • Roy2002 - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Globalfroundries would get. AMD won't since it does not have fab.
  • Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Real men get US government subsidies
  • Yojimbo - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Lots of things get US government subsidies.. Tesla, for example. And TSMC gets Taiwanese government subsidies. Especially when TSMC and UMC were being set up, the industrial campuses were set up by the government, the research was funded by the government, and the government made billions of investment in the 90s.

    Having semiconductor manufacturing in the US is a national security issue. It deserves US government subsidy if the situation is that there is not enough US manufacturing with out. The situation will only get worse if China, with massive government subsidy, gets its manufacturing off the ground. And if we wait too long then we won't have the manufacturing or engineering knowhow for to scale up our semiconductor manufacturing quickly, leaving us completely vulnerable if China invades Taiwan.
  • Otritus - Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - link

    I'm fairly certain Unashamed_unoiriginal_username_x86's comment was a play on Jerry Sanders' (cofounder of AMD) "real men have fabs"
  • Santoval - Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - link

    "..leaving us completely vulnerable if China invades Taiwan.
    They will. It's not a question of "if" but "when".
  • Roland00Address - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Why would AMD be getting subsidies? All fabs companies are arguing for subsidies because the current market is messed up with under-demand in the 2000s creating under-supply for the bean counters did not want to overbuild and thus a virtuous / viceful cycle was created and we now in 2021 understand this was not efficent.

    If AMD wanted back into the fab business they would be arguing for subsidies. But right now it is Intel, TSMC, Samsung, and perhaps Global Foundries arguing for subsidies of the leading fabs as are a dozen plus older fabs where many companies have moved to newer processes but companies that currently have older designs want those fabs to stay open and not update for they do not want to respin that chip someplace else for it would include a re-design.
  • JayNor - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    Yeah, part of their IFS plan includes offering their advanced packaging. That may be the main draw until they get geared up to do co-packaged optics. They've done more emib at this point.
  • EthiaW - Monday, May 3, 2021 - link

    So in which site is the Lakefeild gotten Feveros now?
  • Smell This - Tuesday, May 4, 2021 - link


    So this is the 'active interposer' with chiplets that are stacked along side the CPU die?
  • Samus - Wednesday, May 5, 2021 - link

    It's too bad Wisconsin tossed the coin and lost with Foxconn when Intel et al would have probably taken those tax credits for a legitimate site.
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