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  • joex444 - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    monster will confuse people. they're hoping people will just jump onto the highest end equipment, rather than thinking about what they'll use it for.

    the article suggests using rating x for lengths 0-X, y for lengths X-Y, etc.

    they should just make one cable for 1m, one for 2m, one for 3m, and so on. the consumer won't know that the 3m has, apparently, thicker wires. so monster can really skimp and give the thin wires for the standard hdmi (btw, i think monster invented that term, all i'm aware of is HDMI 1.3 spec). anyways, they'll give that the old 1500% markup, then they can markup the 2m at 1200%, the 3m at 1000%, etc.

    you want to educate consumers? don't bother. take away their knowledge. give them one size fits all. it looks like monster just said the lowest end 2m cable works for the highest end application. maybe there's some proof that "it's all 0s and 1s, it either works or it doesn't" [it is true after all].
  • Myrandex - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Unless I read it wrong, it looked like the lowest quality monster cable received more bandwidth at 2m then 1m (where it was quoted at selling for $50 for a 1m cable).
  • 911medic - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    The article states the Monster FS Perfectview 450 "will be shipping by the end of September at $699, which is quite pricey given the screen sizes we're talking about here." Monster products are overpriced/a waste of money, IMO, but the accompanying slide pretty clearly states a price of $349.95. Is that wholesale or something?
  • Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Very good question :) I had $699 in my notes but it's quite possible that I wrote it down wrong, let me see if I can confirm. $349 makes much more sense.

    Take care,
    Anand
  • GTMan - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

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  • mcnabney - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Those are just as overpriced a Monster, but without the showy coloring.
  • TonyB - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    They need to release some INTERNAL HD-DVD ROM drives for the PC instead of focusing on Laptops.

    There has to be a better alternative than the crappy external Xbox 360 HD-DVD addon. I know ASUS recently announced one but its not available yet.

    Im not a Blu-Ray fanatic, in fact I plan to purchase an HD-DVD ROM drive as soon as they're available (7-8+ Adult HD-DVD titles compared to 2 Adult Blu-ray titles).

    The thing that pisses me off is that Blu-ray has a crap ton load of BD-ROM internal rom drives because they got all the drive manufacturers on their side.
  • leexgx - Friday, September 7, 2007 - link

    my higher end pcs i sell come fitted with conbo BD Reader and an dvd-Rw buner and an 24" Wide monitor to support that as well (1920x1200 screen/1080p/HDCP)

    combo BD Read/dvd-RW drives are £140 (not looked at hd-dvd prices) once thay get to better price i fit them as standered on my med range pcs
    burner for BD or HD are like £300

    considering the buner but depends on customer
  • leexgx - Friday, September 7, 2007 - link

    online stores only seem to have BD/dvd combo and BD buners so hd-dvd cant realy be pushed yet on the PC side if there is lack of an drive (good for BD then)

    compareing them disk size HD-dvd 15gb/30gb and BD 25gb/50gb, i not buy an HD-dvd buner
  • Locutus465 - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    By focusing on laptops you have the advanatage that it becomes more likely users will look their laptop up to their TV... After being wowed by the quality of HD off their laptop, they might start considering also investing in a stand alone player so they can forgo the inconvinience of having to mess around with wires and cables all the time just to watch HD movie content.
  • Owls - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    to use adult titles as a selling point.. I don't know if that's a joke or something sad.
  • mcnabney - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    The argument is valid. The marketing of adult content (previously only available on film) for home viewing on the VHS standard is considered one of the contributors to the victory of VHS over Beta. Recording time length and cheaper players also had an impact.
  • Locutus465 - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Perhaps it's just me but I think the confidence sony is showing right now is the first step in their down fall... HD is still very much an up and coming market, just getting ready to make it down to regular consumers (i.e. to the point that single guys like me who aren't rich are finally getting HD-TVs, families are next). Here is where price/quality really matters, and that is where HD-DVD is delivering compared to blueray. Sony is completely off their rocker to think they've any where near won.
  • AlexWade - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    HD DVD won CEDIA with the announcement that HD DVD will be pushed by Sunday Night Football. Monster is right about consumer ignorance (but wrong about their overpriced cables). Most consumers still have little clue about HD DVD and Blu-Ray. A lot of people watch football. And it comes at a time when a sub $200 HD DVD will be entering the market. Blu-Ray better counter, or else Blu-Ray will become What?-Ray.
  • AlexWade - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Oh, and one more thing. Neither side has won the MAJORITY of average consumers. Blu-Ray, according to Sony, has won the enthusiasts. But those are the vast vast minority. The winner of this format war is the one that gets the majority.
  • Locutus465 - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Blueray has won the segment of customers that think higher price tag some how means better HD quality from your DVD player... It won't take the average consumer long to figure out that HD-DVD gives you the same quality at a much lower price point...
  • tuteja1986 - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Well i bought a 360 external drive and removed it from its casing and installed it on pc via mini ATAPI to IDE cable ;)

    A cheap $150 HD-DVD drive that works great on my PC.
  • Adul - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    I feel sad for those that buy into the monster cable marketing. I been getting my cables from monoprice lately. Nice well made cables for cheap. Wish I told that to my neighbor before he drop money on it. Oh well next time :)
  • MGSsancho - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    yeah i got a 50' dvi -> hdmi cable from mono price. works great. its just massive. makes my man hood feel bad at times. Monster does have a point. the original spec for hdmi was a <5gbs link. then the spec was increased to 120hz, 24b color, then 1440P resolution. all in all the bandwidth requirement was increased to >12gps. Then they got spart. the increased the spec, but never upgraded the spec on the cable. So, current hdmi cables are fine for current stuff like PCs, HD stuff and game consoles. anything higher that that (1440P) I will worry about it when i can buy a $2000 1440P TV, receiver, player, and content.

    About the STR-5300ES, how is that any better than the Onkyo 805 fpr $1000 (has all the same features except bravia link) and if you want the Silicon Optics HCV blah 10bit REON up scaler, the onkyo 875 sells for $1800 (msrp). oh and onkyos 905 has burr brown oamps.....

    Oh well Congrats to Sony bringing more competition into the high end gear!!!!!!!!
  • Duwelon - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    I'm so sad for Monster that consumers don't want to pay a 1000% price markup on their cables. I bought a $5 DVI-HDMI cable about 6 feet long and it delivers a brilliant image to my sony 1080p TV.
  • pervisanathema - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Monster Cable's business model depends on the ignorance of consumers and peoples' blind attraction to shiny packaging and a slick sales pitch. It's common knowledge among the enthusiasts and educated consumers that Monster is the cable world's equivalent of Bose. Slick marketing, massive markup, inferior product.
  • Locutus465 - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    Except Bose speakers (at least their real surround speakers) actually do sound great, and are high quality. Basically, you really do get something out of spending more on your speakers vs. cheaping out (like I did). If you cheap out you can get decent, but not amazing sound, if you spend extra cash, you get amazing... With monster, you really don't get anything at all.

    (qualifier, yes you need a decent receiver to go along with your shiny bose speakers for things to work out well).
  • SilthDraeth - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    I doubt monster makes crappy cables. There just isn't a need to pay the additional price.

  • LoneWolf15 - Thursday, September 6, 2007 - link

    quote:

    Monster Cable's business model depends on the ignorance of consumers and peoples' blind attraction to shiny packaging and a slick sales pitch. It's common knowledge among the enthusiasts and educated consumers that Monster is the cable world's equivalent of Bose. Slick marketing, massive markup, inferior product.


    Monster is also dependent on making sure big box stores like Best Buy only sell their brand of cables and no other, so that people who absolutely gotta have their new home theater working today (without travelling around to buy things) will spend the big bucks as opposed to being patient, going somewhere else or mail-ordering them, and saving the cash.

    Best Buy (and some others) have learned that it nets them huge profits too. Same with computer cables (Geek Squad and Dynex). $33 for a USB cable I can pay $10 for anywhere else? Highway robbery --and enough to stop me from buying other items at their store as well.
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