I Think a lot of people are overlooking another point. To the best of my knowledge, I wouldn't be able to dust off my old PS1 games and play them on an X-BOX 360...
Ok Yea! I found the article. So i retract and applogise for saying he missed todays yeatredays deadline.
I had expected a link to it in the blog or may be something on the front page of the site. But i found it by a search O.O
Any way heres a link for any one else having trouble finding it.
I must agree, over and over again he gives a deadline and then misses’s it. It wouldn't be so bad if he or the member of the team responsible for publishing it said Ok were not going to make it. (I say this because may be he is not responsible for it being put up on the site.)
But instead we’re left in the cold, But though he said he was going publish tonight, claiming he couldn't before Thursday because of a NDA , he said yesterday it only required fishing touches - polishing. So may be i should have known that it meant it was not finished at all and is still not finished. Who knows because they never really tell us.
To be honest he, the author is most properly in bed right now. so no response can be expected till Friday Oh! Its Friday now!
It like been given quotes for time of completion from a dodgy plumber.
where is the article????? we keep on waiting patiently to no avail, but still nothing. at least tell us how much longer. you have us like donkeys with a carrot, hanging in our face, just out of our grasp.
This from teamxbox:
"So far, developers working on both platforms tell us that hardware wise, the PlayStation 3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360."
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-... (Top of page 5)
I wouldn't think the guys at teamxbox would be Sony fanboys, but you never know. But honestly, has anyone seen an article where a developer states the Xbox is more powerful?
All I can say about an airport experience which added an extra 5.5 hours to your itinerary...
Sucks to be you.
We can probably all sympathize, though. My most memoral traveling experience involved taking a 12 hour flight across the Atlantic (Geneva->Brussels->NYC) then getting stuck on the tarmac in New York for 3 hours which caused me to get into Salt Lake City too late to catch my connecting flight to Boise which happened to be the last flight of the day, prompting me to rent a car and drive to Boise in order to get there early enough to hook up with family and immediately drive another 3.5 hours to the launch point of our week-long river rafting trip down the middle fork of the Salmon river.
Did I mention our raft flipped on the first day and my dry bag wasn't sealed well enough to prevent my sleeping bag from turning into a 100-pound sponge?
Now *that* was a superfantastic way to spend 26 hours, interrupted by a 30 minute nap. :)
The x360 architecture is actually more adaptable and dynamic than the ps3. For any developer to say anything like what is quoted above is a moron.
The fact is both of these machines will go untaped unless developers are givin a vastly larger budget than past generation. Matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that 70-80% of the games for both consoles will be using only ONE core on either ps3 or x360.
So much potential will go untaped but so few people will care because they will be "good enough" for joe gamer.
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."
Any rumour that one is "way way" more powerful is rubbish anyways.
Surely people have more common sense than that.
Same Ram, similar system bandwidths.
X360 has 3 general Purpose cores, PS3 has only 1 general purpose core, but with 7 SPE's.
Graphics cards are currently untested against eachother so we don't know which one will be superior in the end. X360 could very well have a more powerful GPU, or vice versa.
Look at the specs, how close are these systems?? very. "Way, Way" more powerful is such a ridiculous statement I can't even believe they put it in print.
Here's the problem, comparing a dev kit with a 2.4 ghz cell processor with two 6800 ultras in SLI, to a dev kit with dual processor G5's and an X800 card is a HUGE difference. Based on what they have to work on at the moment devs could certainly say it seems like one is immensely more powerful than the other. But the fact is that decision can't be made until both consoles actually exist in final form.
Thanks Darkeye. I don't read the game mags so I had no idea it was a pro-Sony publication.
I would still like to hear what the developers that are developing for both systems have to say, but I don't think a good assessment will be able to be made until the final console versions are available anyway.
More X360 vs PS3 info:
===========================================================
Take it for what you will, but the mag Electronic Gaming's rumor section has the following quote from their 'Q' reporter:
PlayStation 3 > Xbox 2
Every time I’ve chatted about next-gen consoles with the development community, nobody has really been able to tell me which machine has the most horsepower...until now. One high-profile developer who has seen both PS3 and Xbox 2 technology recently whispered into my innocent ear, “The next PlayStation is way, way more powerful than Xbox 2. It’s insanely powerful.” But don’t cry, all you Xbots out there—my source promises that we’ll still be quite impressed with the capabilities of Microsoft’s Xbox successor.
Also in the current issue, the editors are discussing next gen questions and answers from the readers. When asked for PS3 vs. XBox 2 info, one of the editors says he was surprised to hear from several developers that the PS3 was many times more powerful than the XBox2. The editor thought they'd be similar in power and abilities (like now to some extent), but that's not what he's hearing from those that seem to know. Read it yourself in this month's issue of EGM. Who knows until all is revealed.- http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=14... ===========================================================
Coupled with the positive endorsements from software developers Epic Games (http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=9... Factor 5 (http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-5712174.html) and MGS creator Hideo Kojima comments regarding the PS3 offering “the finest dinner” of the three consoles and contrast that with the lack of “X360 is more powerful that the PS3” comments from 'developers'and this is really starting to look like there is a definitively huge advantage with the PS3.
My only questions are, are these developers relying mostly on the hype or are their opinions based on experiences from working on both machines? And further, if they are working with both machines, how can they make a true determination, if the dev kits they are working on are systems that are running at 25% to 75% of the final product?
Been stuck in an airplane for 1 1/2 hours before, we were stuck 6 inches or so of ice/snow/ice/snow at the gate. They broke 2 tongues on the vehicle that pushes the plane out from the gate. They de-iced the area around the tires and set us free.
Of course that was after being stuck in the airport for 3 days back in December when the snow storm blew through Cincinnati area.
Depending on where you are in Branford you don't need to even get on I95 to get to Bradley. Shoot me an email and I'll give you some back roads directions so you can skip I-95 totally. It would only add a few minutes to your commute.
I95 sucks, especially with all the construction that is going on in East Haven right now. Wait until they do the Q bridge over, that's going to be a nightmare.
#2-- are you kidding? Anand deserves a little more than that....
http://www.gulfstream.com/g550/ lol... He could use that sicker to fly to Taiwan for next years shows!
Weeee!!! I'd have to some travelling meself next months.. it'll get worse... peak of summer.... lost luggage... overbooked flights.... traffic bottle necks.... exorbitant ticket prices....
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AShavedGuerilla - Sunday, June 26, 2005 - link
I Think a lot of people are overlooking another point. To the best of my knowledge, I wouldn't be able to dust off my old PS1 games and play them on an X-BOX 360...Anonymous - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
Ok Yea! I found the article. So i retract and applogise for saying he missed todays yeatredays deadline.I had expected a link to it in the blog or may be something on the front page of the site. But i found it by a search O.O
Any way heres a link for any one else having trouble finding it.
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453
Thanks
Anonymous - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
I must agree, over and over again he gives a deadline and then misses’s it. It wouldn't be so bad if he or the member of the team responsible for publishing it said Ok were not going to make it. (I say this because may be he is not responsible for it being put up on the site.)But instead we’re left in the cold, But though he said he was going publish tonight, claiming he couldn't before Thursday because of a NDA , he said yesterday it only required fishing touches - polishing. So may be i should have known that it meant it was not finished at all and is still not finished. Who knows because they never really tell us.
To be honest he, the author is most properly in bed right now. so no response can be expected till Friday Oh! Its Friday now!
It like been given quotes for time of completion from a dodgy plumber.
Anonymous - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
where is the article????? we keep on waiting patiently to no avail, but still nothing. at least tell us how much longer. you have us like donkeys with a carrot, hanging in our face, just out of our grasp.Darkon - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
torturingDarkon - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
Anand stop toturing us post the goddamn article alreadyJoeS - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
Anand,Any chance you'll include some input from developers working on both platforms?
JoeS - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
This from teamxbox:"So far, developers working on both platforms tell us that hardware wise, the PlayStation 3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360."
http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/1190/Xbox-360-... (Top of page 5)
I wouldn't think the guys at teamxbox would be Sony fanboys, but you never know. But honestly, has anyone seen an article where a developer states the Xbox is more powerful?
hohoho - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
guess this is not the night! hehehe...wj - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
WTF! Anand I'm getting impatient.Anonymous - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
Does he live on the west coast of the US? Its Friday morning on the US East.hohoho - Friday, June 24, 2005 - link
tonight's the night, batman. Let's see! :Dit's been a while....
Batman - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
bets? anyone?I say xenos + 3 PPC + xna is the real deal.
Anonymous - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
So when is this article going up? For those waiting, you could let us know if you have delayed it...Anonymous - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
BasicallyBobDaStealer - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
ROFL@Darkeye! Don't take Darkeye serious:-P this guy usual hangs around Gamespot System Wars forum talkin bout how PS3 is gonna suck....Houdani - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
All I can say about an airport experience which added an extra 5.5 hours to your itinerary...Sucks to be you.
We can probably all sympathize, though. My most memoral traveling experience involved taking a 12 hour flight across the Atlantic (Geneva->Brussels->NYC) then getting stuck on the tarmac in New York for 3 hours which caused me to get into Salt Lake City too late to catch my connecting flight to Boise which happened to be the last flight of the day, prompting me to rent a car and drive to Boise in order to get there early enough to hook up with family and immediately drive another 3.5 hours to the launch point of our week-long river rafting trip down the middle fork of the Salmon river.
Did I mention our raft flipped on the first day and my dry bag wasn't sealed well enough to prevent my sleeping bag from turning into a 100-pound sponge?
Now *that* was a superfantastic way to spend 26 hours, interrupted by a 30 minute nap. :)
TheChefO - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
How many devs used both cores on Saturn? Scratch that how many GAMES used both cpu's? ...umm ...ONE!
Virtua Fighter 2 used the other cpu for running the background and combining both images for hi-def 640x480.
How many devs are going to seriously spend time to multithread for BOTH consoles? (games aren't made for one system anymore)...
TheChefO - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
The x360 architecture is actually more adaptable and dynamic than the ps3. For any developer to say anything like what is quoted above is a moron.The fact is both of these machines will go untaped unless developers are givin a vastly larger budget than past generation. Matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that 70-80% of the games for both consoles will be using only ONE core on either ps3 or x360.
So much potential will go untaped but so few people will care because they will be "good enough" for joe gamer.
"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."
Anonymous - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Any rumour that one is "way way" more powerful is rubbish anyways.Surely people have more common sense than that.
Same Ram, similar system bandwidths.
X360 has 3 general Purpose cores, PS3 has only 1 general purpose core, but with 7 SPE's.
Graphics cards are currently untested against eachother so we don't know which one will be superior in the end. X360 could very well have a more powerful GPU, or vice versa.
Look at the specs, how close are these systems?? very. "Way, Way" more powerful is such a ridiculous statement I can't even believe they put it in print.
Omihall - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Here's the problem, comparing a dev kit with a 2.4 ghz cell processor with two 6800 ultras in SLI, to a dev kit with dual processor G5's and an X800 card is a HUGE difference. Based on what they have to work on at the moment devs could certainly say it seems like one is immensely more powerful than the other. But the fact is that decision can't be made until both consoles actually exist in final form.Darkon - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
EGM is hardly pro sony
Shailmankad - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
ROFFLES, Darkeye wtf are you doing here?JoeS - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Thanks Darkeye. I don't read the game mags so I had no idea it was a pro-Sony publication.I would still like to hear what the developers that are developing for both systems have to say, but I don't think a good assessment will be able to be made until the final console versions are available anyway.
Darkeye123 - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
JoeS, the rumor you posted is really old and i dont even believe EGM. They are 100% sony fanboysJoeS - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
More X360 vs PS3 info:===========================================================
Take it for what you will, but the mag Electronic Gaming's rumor section has the following quote from their 'Q' reporter:
PlayStation 3 > Xbox 2
Every time I’ve chatted about next-gen consoles with the development community, nobody has really been able to tell me which machine has the most horsepower...until now. One high-profile developer who has seen both PS3 and Xbox 2 technology recently whispered into my innocent ear, “The next PlayStation is way, way more powerful than Xbox 2. It’s insanely powerful.” But don’t cry, all you Xbots out there—my source promises that we’ll still be quite impressed with the capabilities of Microsoft’s Xbox successor.
Also in the current issue, the editors are discussing next gen questions and answers from the readers. When asked for PS3 vs. XBox 2 info, one of the editors says he was surprised to hear from several developers that the PS3 was many times more powerful than the XBox2. The editor thought they'd be similar in power and abilities (like now to some extent), but that's not what he's hearing from those that seem to know. Read it yourself in this month's issue of EGM. Who knows until all is revealed.- http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=14...
===========================================================
Coupled with the positive endorsements from software developers Epic Games (http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=9... Factor 5 (http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-5712174.html) and MGS creator Hideo Kojima comments regarding the PS3 offering “the finest dinner” of the three consoles and contrast that with the lack of “X360 is more powerful that the PS3” comments from 'developers'and this is really starting to look like there is a definitively huge advantage with the PS3.
My only questions are, are these developers relying mostly on the hype or are their opinions based on experiences from working on both machines? And further, if they are working with both machines, how can they make a true determination, if the dev kits they are working on are systems that are running at 25% to 75% of the final product?
Viditor - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
I live in Sydney, and my family's in the US...Roundtrip for a family visit is ~28 hours!
Believe me, I feel your pain!
microamp - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Been stuck in an airplane for 1 1/2 hours before, we were stuck 6 inches or so of ice/snow/ice/snow at the gate. They broke 2 tongues on the vehicle that pushes the plane out from the gate. They de-iced the area around the tires and set us free.Of course that was after being stuck in the airport for 3 days back in December when the snow storm blew through Cincinnati area.
Mikecel79 - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Depending on where you are in Branford you don't need to even get on I95 to get to Bradley. Shoot me an email and I'll give you some back roads directions so you can skip I-95 totally. It would only add a few minutes to your commute.I95 sucks, especially with all the construction that is going on in East Haven right now. Wait until they do the Q bridge over, that's going to be a nightmare.
ksherman - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
#2-- are you kidding? Anand deserves a little more than that....http://www.gulfstream.com/g550/
lol... He could use that sicker to fly to Taiwan for next years shows!
hohoho - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Weeee!!! I'd have to some travelling meself next months.. it'll get worse... peak of summer.... lost luggage... overbooked flights.... traffic bottle necks.... exorbitant ticket prices....but at least, the articles's ready! Cheers.
Ciber - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Anand, I think it's time for one of these: http://www.cirrusdesign.com/Anonymous - Thursday, June 23, 2005 - link
Thanks for the update.. can't wait for the article.And first post!