Intel Turns AMD back into the Old AMD

by Anand Lal Shimpi on 7/18/2006 12:24 AM EST
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  • Regs - Monday, July 31, 2006 - link

    I thought of no better area to ask a opinionated question as other areas are based on fact or road maps.

    What do you thin will be AMD's answer to the Conroe? What do you think they'll have to change in the K8L or what do you think will be the best way to improved single threaded performance? In reality, to you think the K8L will offer a better core design or will they'll just improve

    You all ready stated that the ATi/AMD merger is intriguing for the future. Especially for integrated solutions. Plus with AMD's plans for Torrenza it's almost like this marriage was just waiting to happen. On top of that AMD has all ready hinted with the module designing of the K8L, that this ATI merger may bring benefits sooner than expected.
  • Regs - Monday, July 31, 2006 - link

    Sorry for some reason my text got cut off in transistion - not the sites fault -



    I thought of no better area to ask a opinionated question as other areas are based on fact or road maps.

    What do you think will be AMD's answer to the Conroe? What do you think they'll have to change in the K8L or what do you think will be the best way to improve single threaded performance? In reality, do you think the K8L will offer a better core design or will they'll just improve a few aspects of the K8?

    You all ready stated that the ATi/AMD merger is intriguing for the future. Especially for integrated solutions. Plus with AMD's plans for Torrenza it's almost like this marriage was just waiting to happen. On top of that AMD has all ready hinted with the module designing of the K8L, that this ATI merger may bring benefits sooner than expected.
  • Agginor - Friday, July 21, 2006 - link

    quote:

    E6600 vs. X2 5000+ ($316 vs. $282)

    Based on the benchmarks I ran for my Core 2 Duo article, it looks like the E6600 would win this battle hands down. The E6600 costs a bit more, but would beat the 5000+ across the board.



    I would agree with you that E6600 smoked the 5000+. There's still two reasons to go with the 5000+; motherboard prices and SLI. There are'nt any SLI certified boards available for the Core 2 processor at the moment, and most of the motherboards available for the Core 2 are around $100 more then AMD based boards. For a person on a budget, going with a more mature CPU with a well tested motherboard for perhaps $100 less might be worth it. For those that want SLI, we'll AMD is your only choice.
  • namechamps - Monday, July 31, 2006 - link

    An important consideration.

    I wish sites like anandtech would do a benchmark like

    $1000 AMD system vs $1000 Intel system.
    $2000 AMD system vs $2500 Intel system.
    $3000 AMD system vs $3000 Intel system.

    Because let's say the E6600 is in tight supply and sells at a premium $350. Add to that a $100 premium on MB. The AMD system would have about $170 to play with. $170 more money thrown into video cards would even the gap (and most likely result in an AMD win). Add to the fact that AMD has flexibility of SLI system (and $170 more to buy higher end GPU) and it could be a knock out.

    Now some people will say $$$ is no object. what is the best system at any price. For the other 99% of us $$ is a consideration. I for one would like to see if money is better spent upgrading my GPU then buying a new MB and hard to find (hence expensive) CPU.
  • dangerousdan99 - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

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  • GhandiInstinct - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

    Hey Anand,

    I was wondering if you could take a tip on bettering the posting system on AnandTech.

    Perhaps have the highest rated comments in a different color or in a "top rated" section of sorts.

    It's quite distressing to scroll down a popular article for worthwhile-to-read posts.

    Thanks :)
  • SonicIce - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

    Even if a Core 2 and an X2 perform the same, wouldn't the Core 2 use less power and run cooler?
  • epsilonparadox - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

    If AMD is relegated as being a budget processor again by Intel's introduction of the C2D, AMD's credibility in the industry will be blown and Intel will again dominate the market. AMD is in considerable pressure to make sure their K8L architecture dominates Intel's current architecture when the K8L debuts. If not, Intel's deep pockets and their move to the 45nm process, will ensure that AMD will not be able to handle another price war.
  • Spoonbender - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

    Well, AMD is a lot better able to handle a price war today than they were 4 years ago. Today they're actually turning a profit to begin with. And they have products that still dominate in some markets. (Opteron in high-end servers). And probably most importantly, they've got their name out there... Hell, even Dell has started selling AMD, right?

    They'll do fine. Maybe not as well as they have for the last year or so, but they're quite able to handle a price war.
  • microAmp - Thursday, July 20, 2006 - link

    They may or may not be able to handle price war. They still haven't recouped their losses from 01 to 03, a total bit over 1.6 billion dollars. The past two years, not including last quarter or this coming up one, has only made enough to cover the 2003 losses. I hope they stay afloat and don't get into a price war.
  • cciesquare - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

    I like your first case. I realllyyyyy want to get my hands on a E6600, if the chips are widely available that means I can buy it without the prices being whacky. Ideally it will be cheaper, but im sure that's a long shot. Second case, if it were to happen, would mean i will not get my Core 2 Duo any time soon, which probably will mean waiting months on end...sigh...why do they always have to make it so hard.

    Actually, a fantasy scenario would be when the chips first come available, its very very close to the projected prices, ie E6600 being priced at $316, give or take a few bucks, and i get lucky and buy it before it either runs out or prices skyrocket.
  • MartinT - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

    quote:

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ ($175)


    I think you got that wrong, from the DailyTech link, it's the X2 4200+ that will cost $175, while the X2 3800+ will go for $149.
  • Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - link

    That teaches me to try and do something important when I'm tired ;) I've made the appropriate correction, thanks for the heads up.

    Take care,
    Anand

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