Hope to see some Tegra 5 coverage. Tegra 4i is dead.
Quick question: Is it possible to build a 32-bit ARMv8 CPU core i.e. a ARMv8 core capable of running a 32-bit OS without using a hypervisor? That would really ease the transition to 64-bit for Android.
This sounds like it may go like their last event where Jen Hsun kept going back and forth between explaining Vsync on and then Vsync off for a really long time :P
You guys should consider switching the live blog format to chronological. Currently when new entries appear at the top, they push everything else down, making it difficult to follow.
Denver K1 looks to be a monster. All the CPU perf of Apple's A7 with unseen GPU graphics from a full Kepler SMX. Only question is WHEN. Could be a great year for Nvidia in the mobile space.
In my experience add a full half year to all chip maker "shipping in" quotes because the device makers have to put it in a product before we can use it. So 2H 2014 for the A15 ver and 1H 2015 for the Denver ver.
that's what's nice about apple... None of this year early tease crap. They talk about it when you can buy it. (and btw... I'm no apple fan.. But I appreciate this aspect)
I don't think it will be that long, A15 TK1 was already scheduled for Q1/Q2 from Jensen's GTC interviews, Denver TK1 may come as soon as end of Q2 if they are getting back initial samples now. Keep in mind T4 sampled last year at CES, was pushed back by Nvidia but still launched at end of Q2 in Nvidia's own Shield handheld.
I think that may be part of Nvidia's push to start producing some 1st party designs and products (Shield/Tegra Note 7), so they can get their SoCs to market sooner without having to wait for 3rd party designs similar to your Apple anecdote.
Even if we are optimistic on Nvidia's ability to execute, what does that say that it is coming out on 28nm instead of 20nm? It seems 20nm is pretty delayed and may affect the rollout of 64 bit krait/cyclone2.0 products in the future.
28nm is going to be with us for awhile I think, not too concerned about it since Apple managed their 64-bit SoC on the same process. While Nvidia is getting a big bump in GPU performance, I think Kepler is more a testament to it's amazing performance/efficiency combined with a very inefficient old GeForce ULP design. Combine the two factors and you get much higher performance in a similar power envelope on the same (albeit refined) process node.
The when part will be very critical as the competition isn't sitting around. Apple's A7 has been in shipping productions for 4 months now and Tegra K1 with Denver is looking to be 4 months away at least. How long will it be before it is leap frogged by another design?
On the GPU front I don't think anything will come close to K1 in 2014, and maybe through 2015...unless K1 forces other major players to license Kepler to remain competitive with it. On the CPU front, Apple may update Cyclone or come up with a new design but their trump card (64-bit 7-wide CPU) has already been played. ARM doesn't have any other tricks up it's sleeve for Apple to play early anytime soon.
So basically "my vaporware can beat up your shipping product"?
The very fact that you think the "7-wide" claim here means anything shows how gullible you are. Cyclone is a 4-wide system by any MEANINGFUL measure. If this thing is 7-wide and 5W, either nVidia have made a massive breakthrough compared to everyone else in the industry (including Intel and IBM) or they are up to their usual "words mean what I want them to mean" crap.
It's been documented all over the place, 5W for the SoC, ~2W for the GPU, fits in the same power envelope as Tegra 4 and was being demo'd in the same Tegra Note 7 chassis/form factor at CES.
Also to Anand et. al not sure why you guys are surprised about the convergence of mobile and GPU SoC, it was always announced Kepler and beyond would mirror the desktop, just a half-gen behind.
you guys come off a bit standoffish when Denver and K1 was being relieved. I swear it sounded like you were a couple of Apple engineers jealous and dismissive of Nvidia's claims.
Thanks much for the coverage. Hope the PR people have stocked up on Emergen-C and zinc health drinks, but I expect a lot of booze... This is not good...
Buahahahaha thanks for posting about the crop circle (which actually appeared on 30th Dec 2013, not earlier today). I immediately went to Crop Circle Connector to see what crop circle enthusiasts' interpretation of it was... it's comedy gold! They really do see what they hope to see... http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2013/chualar/co...
Anand "11:15PM EST - I want a 27" 2560 x 1440 IPS G-Sync display that ships color calibrated"
seriously why would you want an old 8bit Rec. 709 (HDTV) sudo colour space 27" 2560 x 1440 G-Sync display in 2014 when we are expecting the real colour deal official 10bit/12bit Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) color space 27"+ 3,840x2,160, and 8K 7680x4320 +22.2 surround sound as Super Hi-Vision as per the NHK/BBC collaboration for the runup to the 2020 Olympics in the expected 3 or 4 years time frame.
anything that's not got an official 10bit/12bit Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) color space capability at CES or later is NOT worth the money today unless its bargin basement priced and yet functional..
so remember make sure to ask that vital question to all vendors... does that display actually do the official "10bit/12bit Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) color space" ,if not ,why not, and when will they actually have such a speced device for sale ....and then report back to the readers......
You'd rather have an a display with 10 bit colour that can't actually display the correct one, rather than a display that can display the correct colour in 8 bit space?
While it's doubtful with the OpenCL-push Apple seems to be pushing w/ AMD, A Skylake-e powered Mac Pro with a next-gen Quadro based on Nvidia's Volta arch. would be a dream come true (and for the heck of it, throw in a G-sync, 4K Monitor)....
"11:03PM EST - Jen-Hsun is feeling a little under the weather, he doesn't know if he's still contagious" "11:04PM EST - We will get sick from this" "11:06PM EST - (seriously there's a lot of illness at CES this year, this week isn't going to end well)
I laughed when I saw these. Behaviours like coughing and yawning can be contagious, but I really don't like when people do have some kind of illness and cough all the time in crowded places without wearing mask, i.e. public transport, airplane, theatre, etc. With all the expensive high tech gadgets people are carrying, a relative low tech mask is more important than those toys. Maybe some company should introduce Smart Mask so people can be more considered for others.
Jen-Hsun can be excused because he is the speaker but I wouldn't want to sit in front of him unless he uses cover or coughes away from audience. Just remember to wash your hand as the first thing when you get to hotel room and home, and clean personal items like phone and keyboards that you have touched outside.
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blanarahul - Sunday, January 5, 2014 - link
Hope to see some Tegra 5 coverage. Tegra 4i is dead.Quick question: Is it possible to build a 32-bit ARMv8 CPU core i.e. a ARMv8 core capable of running a 32-bit OS without using a hypervisor? That would really ease the transition to 64-bit for Android.
tipoo - Sunday, January 5, 2014 - link
This sounds like it may go like their last event where Jen Hsun kept going back and forth between explaining Vsync on and then Vsync off for a really long time :PLunyone - Sunday, January 5, 2014 - link
Is there any way to reverse the list above, so you can read it from beginning to end, instead of from the end to the beginning?madwolfa - Sunday, January 5, 2014 - link
That trashcan looks like Mac Pro.ViperV990 - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
You guys should consider switching the live blog format to chronological. Currently when new entries appear at the top, they push everything else down, making it difficult to follow.chizow - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Denver K1 looks to be a monster. All the CPU perf of Apple's A7 with unseen GPU graphics from a full Kepler SMX. Only question is WHEN. Could be a great year for Nvidia in the mobile space.skiboysteve - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
In my experience add a full half year to all chip maker "shipping in" quotes because the device makers have to put it in a product before we can use it. So 2H 2014 for the A15 ver and 1H 2015 for the Denver ver.that's what's nice about apple... None of this year early tease crap. They talk about it when you can buy it. (and btw... I'm no apple fan.. But I appreciate this aspect)
chizow - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
I don't think it will be that long, A15 TK1 was already scheduled for Q1/Q2 from Jensen's GTC interviews, Denver TK1 may come as soon as end of Q2 if they are getting back initial samples now. Keep in mind T4 sampled last year at CES, was pushed back by Nvidia but still launched at end of Q2 in Nvidia's own Shield handheld.I think that may be part of Nvidia's push to start producing some 1st party designs and products (Shield/Tegra Note 7), so they can get their SoCs to market sooner without having to wait for 3rd party designs similar to your Apple anecdote.
theCuriousTask - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Even if we are optimistic on Nvidia's ability to execute, what does that say that it is coming out on 28nm instead of 20nm? It seems 20nm is pretty delayed and may affect the rollout of 64 bit krait/cyclone2.0 products in the future.B3an - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Wheres it say that? Only the sample they have now is 28nm. Consumer devices could be 20nm.chizow - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
28nm is going to be with us for awhile I think, not too concerned about it since Apple managed their 64-bit SoC on the same process. While Nvidia is getting a big bump in GPU performance, I think Kepler is more a testament to it's amazing performance/efficiency combined with a very inefficient old GeForce ULP design. Combine the two factors and you get much higher performance in a similar power envelope on the same (albeit refined) process node.jasonelmore - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Nvidia will most likely release a couple of devices on launch as reference platforms. Tegra Note 2, and Nvidia Shiled 2 most likely.no need to wait for companies to integrate before we can see what this chip can do
darkfalz - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Damn it NVIDIA/ASUS, we were promised G-Sync monitors Q1 2014 - we're there now! Still nothing even properly announced...Kevin G - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
The when part will be very critical as the competition isn't sitting around. Apple's A7 has been in shipping productions for 4 months now and Tegra K1 with Denver is looking to be 4 months away at least. How long will it be before it is leap frogged by another design?chizow - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
On the GPU front I don't think anything will come close to K1 in 2014, and maybe through 2015...unless K1 forces other major players to license Kepler to remain competitive with it. On the CPU front, Apple may update Cyclone or come up with a new design but their trump card (64-bit 7-wide CPU) has already been played. ARM doesn't have any other tricks up it's sleeve for Apple to play early anytime soon.name99 - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
So basically "my vaporware can beat up your shipping product"?The very fact that you think the "7-wide" claim here means anything shows how gullible you are.
Cyclone is a 4-wide system by any MEANINGFUL measure. If this thing is 7-wide and 5W, either nVidia have made a massive breakthrough compared to everyone else in the industry (including Intel and IBM) or they are up to their usual "words mean what I want them to mean" crap.
MrPoletski - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
No, there is another important question: Power Consumption.chizow - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
It's been documented all over the place, 5W for the SoC, ~2W for the GPU, fits in the same power envelope as Tegra 4 and was being demo'd in the same Tegra Note 7 chassis/form factor at CES.chizow - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Also to Anand et. al not sure why you guys are surprised about the convergence of mobile and GPU SoC, it was always announced Kepler and beyond would mirror the desktop, just a half-gen behind.From your own GTC write-up, Maxwell clearly following Kepler: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6845/nvidia-updates-...
AnandTechUser99 - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Any chance we'll see mobile Kepler paired with an x86-64 core such as Intel's Silvermont? Think NVIDIA ION.chizow - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
ROFL the crop circle was brilliant, I remember seeing it pop up on MSN when it happened and there's tons of "legitimate" hits about it.https://www.google.com/#q=chualar+crop+circle
192....
jasonelmore - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
you guys come off a bit standoffish when Denver and K1 was being relieved. I swear it sounded like you were a couple of Apple engineers jealous and dismissive of Nvidia's claims.Doomtomb - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
This stuff is so boring Zzzz bring us new graphics cardsKevin G - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Ugh. I can't stand the 192 core count figure. Some one needs to duct tape the mounts of nVidia's marketing department for propagating such bad ideas.watersb - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
192 cores, bro!Thanks much for the coverage. Hope the PR people have stocked up on Emergen-C and zinc health drinks, but I expect a lot of booze... This is not good...
NimbusTLD - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Buahahahaha thanks for posting about the crop circle (which actually appeared on 30th Dec 2013, not earlier today). I immediately went to Crop Circle Connector to see what crop circle enthusiasts' interpretation of it was... it's comedy gold! They really do see what they hope to see... http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2013/chualar/co...BMNify - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Anand "11:15PM EST - I want a 27" 2560 x 1440 IPS G-Sync display that ships color calibrated"seriously why would you want an old 8bit Rec. 709 (HDTV) sudo colour space 27" 2560 x 1440 G-Sync display in 2014 when we are expecting the real colour deal official 10bit/12bit Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) color space 27"+ 3,840x2,160, and 8K 7680x4320 +22.2 surround sound as Super Hi-Vision as per the NHK/BBC collaboration for the runup to the 2020 Olympics in the expected 3 or 4 years time frame.
anything that's not got an official 10bit/12bit Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) color space capability at CES or later is NOT worth the money today unless its bargin basement priced and yet functional..
so remember make sure to ask that vital question to all vendors... does that display actually do the official "10bit/12bit Rec. 2020 (UHDTV) color space" ,if not ,why not, and when will they actually have such a speced device for sale ....and then report back to the readers......
DarkXale - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
You'd rather have an a display with 10 bit colour that can't actually display the correct one, rather than a display that can display the correct colour in 8 bit space?lilkwarrior - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
While it's doubtful with the OpenCL-push Apple seems to be pushing w/ AMD, A Skylake-e powered Mac Pro with a next-gen Quadro based on Nvidia's Volta arch. would be a dream come true (and for the heck of it, throw in a G-sync, 4K Monitor)....Th-z - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
"11:03PM EST - Jen-Hsun is feeling a little under the weather, he doesn't know if he's still contagious""11:04PM EST - We will get sick from this"
"11:06PM EST - (seriously there's a lot of illness at CES this year, this week isn't going to end well)
I laughed when I saw these. Behaviours like coughing and yawning can be contagious, but I really don't like when people do have some kind of illness and cough all the time in crowded places without wearing mask, i.e. public transport, airplane, theatre, etc. With all the expensive high tech gadgets people are carrying, a relative low tech mask is more important than those
toys. Maybe some company should introduce Smart Mask so people can be more considered for others.
Jen-Hsun can be excused because he is the speaker but I wouldn't want to sit in front of him unless he uses cover or coughes away from audience. Just remember to wash your hand as the first thing when you get to hotel room and home, and clean personal items like phone and keyboards that you have touched outside.
addverma - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
Are you guys going to do a in-depth analysis of this chip and give us your findings?ddriver - Monday, January 6, 2014 - link
K1, the new 192 core chip, now coming with either 2 or 4 cores...