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DDR3 vs. DDR2
DDR3 vs. DDR2
Date: May 15th, 2007
Topic: Memory
Manufacturer: Various
Author: Wesley Fink
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Number Crunching and Gaming

We now know that that the only real improvement in our tests is a 16% to 18% improvement in memory bandwidth on P35, whether it is running DDR2 or DDR3. The next question is whether that bandwidth improvement translates into any real improvement in system performance.

To look at pure number crunching, SuperPi 1.5 was run in all memory test configurations. SuperPi is a very simple program as it merely calculates the value of Pi to a designated number of decimal positions. In this case we chose 2 Million places.

Super Pi 1.5 - 2.66GHz
Time in Seconds - Lower is Better
Memory Speed P965
ASUS P5B Dlx
P35 DDR2
ASUS P5K Dlx
P35 DDR3
ASUS P5K3 Dlx
DDR2-800 3-3-3-9 46.05 45.06 -
DDR2-800 5/6-6-6-15
DDR3-800 6-6-6-15
47.28 46.08 45.96
DDR2-1067 4-4-3-11 45.39 44.47 -
DDR2-1067 5/6-6-6-15 45.72 45.02 -
DDR3-1067 7-7-7-20 - - 45.11
DDR3-1333 9-9-9-25 - - 44.96

It is interesting to see that the improvement in memory bandwidth on the P35 does translate into faster scores on SuperPi 1.5. As stated many times memory is just one part of a complete system, so a 16% to 18% improvement in memory bandwidth will translate into much smaller increases in system performance.

With pure number crunching, the P35 yields a 2% to 3% improvement in SuperPi results. While this is a small improvement, it is consistent across speeds and test results. As seen in the memory bandwidth results, the performance difference is the P35 chipset, and not the DDR3. It really doesn't matter if you run DDR2 or DDR3 on the P35; you will get slightly better number crunching performance with P35.

Gaming

A standardized game benchmark was chosen from our memory test suite to determine if the better P35 memory bandwidth improved gaming performance. The Far Cry - River demo was run for 3 loops and results in FPS were averaged over the 3 runs.

Far Cry - HOC River
Frames Per Second - Higher is Better
Memory Speed P965
ASUS P5B Dlx
P35 DDR2
ASUS P5K Dlx
P35 DDR3
ASUS P5K3 Dlx
DDR2-800 3-3-3-9 101.26 102.91 -
DDR2-800 5/6-6-6-15
DDR3-800 6-6-6-15
97.76 99.93 100.27
DDR2-1067 4-4-3-11 103.04 108.02 -
DDR2-1067 5/6-6-6-15 102 106.61 -
DDR3-1067 7-7-7-20 - - 102.29
DDR3-1333 9-9-9-25 - - 103.18

We were really surprised at the gaming test results. We really did not expect the bandwidth improvement of P35 to have much impact on gaming results, but Far Cry showed a 2% to 5% improvement in performance just comparing P35 to P965 under the same conditions. It really didn't matter whether P35 was running DDR2 or DDR3; the improvement was essentially the same.

Having said that it should be clear from these results that gaming responds well to lower (faster) memory timings, which is why the 800 3-3-3 and 1067 4-4-3 results top the results charts. However, the promise of DDR3 is evident in the fact that 1067 at the slow 7-7-7-20 timings performs nearly the same as the P965 at 4-4-3, and at the very slow 1333 9-9-9-25 DDR3 outperforms DDR2 4-4-3 on the P965. Results for DDR2 on P35 at these same fast timings are, however, the fastest test results in the comparison.

At the same speed and timings DDR2 and DDR3 perform virtually the same in gaming on the P35, and they are faster than DDR2 on the P965. DDR3 at the same timings may have a very slight performance advantage over DDR2 on the same platform, but it is too early to reach that conclusion. The results for DDR3 at 1067 and 1333 timings do make us look forward to DDR3 at faster memory timings. It is good now, and with better timings DDR3 will likely be great at these higher speeds.

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Corrections by kalrith, 1000 days ago
Page 2, second line of second-to-last paragraph says, "which is a 16% reduction form DDR2". "form" should be "from".

Last page, fourth line of third-to-last paragraph says, "the shift to DDR2 may be further delayed". "DDR2" should be "DDR3".

BTW, I found the article interesting, informative, enlightening, and unbiased (as usual).

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RE: Corrections by Wesley Fink, 1000 days ago
Mild dyslexia and less-than smart built-in spell checkers always win :) Both errors are corrected. Thanks.

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What about the power draw? by TA152H, 1000 days ago
You measured the performance of the memory, but why not take a power measurement of it as well. That is one of the draws of the technology, it uses lower voltage, and therefore should use a little less power and generate less heat. Both are significant.

Good article though, I just wish that had been included.

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What is this 5/6 stuff on the charts? by TA152H, 1000 days ago
I see timings of 5/6-6-6-15 and such. What does 5/6 mean? The P965 is running at five and the others at six?

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RE: What is this 5/6 stuff on the charts? by Wesley Fink, 1000 days ago
Yes. The P965 would not boot witha a CAS setting of 6 even though it could be selected. So the P965 was tested at 5-6-6 timings. The same DDR2 on the P5K was tested at 6-6-6, which would work and also matched the DDR3 timings. We will clarify this in the article.


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RE: What is this 5/6 stuff on the charts? by TA152H, 1000 days ago
OK, thanks.

One thing I would suggest when you do the final tests for the Bearlake and DDR3 is to use the 2M processors as well. You'd expect the 4M cache to hide the differences better, obviously, so the 2M cache processors would be pretty interesting to see as well, if for no other reason to see how much the larger cache does mask the difference in the chipset and memory. Since Intel is planning on increasing cache sizes, it would be a pretty useful data point.

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RE: What is this 5/6 stuff on the charts? by Wesley Fink, 1000 days ago
We added this clarification to Page 4 - Memory Test Configuration:

"While memory timings were matched to the same memory speed wherever possible, there were a few settings where the chipsets did not allow a direct comparison. DDR3-800 runs at 6-6-6-15 timings. The P965 has options to set 6-6-6-15 timings but the board would not boot under any settings or voltage we fed it at 6-6-6 timings. The closest timings that would work on the P965 at 800 speed were 5-6-6-15. The P5K DDR2 board, based on the P35 chipset, would allow setiing and running 6-6-6-15 timings. This is reflected in our charts with the line ID of 5/6-6-6- for timings. We also tested DDR2 at the fastest timings it could achieve with complete stability on both the P5B Deluxe and P5K Deluxe. This was 3-3-3-9 at DDR2-800 and 4-4-3-11 at DDR2-1066."

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RE: What is this 5/6 stuff on the charts? by TA152H, 1000 days ago
That's clear, I think that will remove any questions relating to the charts.

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