Like a good spy, we searched all over two continents for a motherboard containing AMD's 785G chipset. Once we identified our target, we scoped it out, formulated a snatch and grab plan, and then waited until the time was right. We thought the time was right last week to swoop in and grab the object of our desire. Sure enough, the plan went off without a hitch as we brought the Gigabyte GA-MA785GPMT-UD2H back to the labs for integration. Before we could even try our hands at waterboarding Gigabyte's latest multimedia wonder, testing came to a grinding halt.

It seems that in our rush to secure this motherboard that we overlooked one very important aspect during our investigation. It turns out the driver set we were privy to for testing is an early beta set missing several important driver features while AMD is still optimizing performance. We encountered no stability problems running a multitude of benchmarks, but the lack of features and optimizations preclude us from publishing a meaningful first look, especially for those looking to use this new platform in an HTPC or SFF gaming system. Of course, there were discussions with AMD explaining some of the early problems we ran into during testing. As such, AMD requested that we wait until the drivers are mature and based on early test results we will heed their requests.




Gallery: Gigabyte 785G

What we can do today is discuss some early observations and provide a couple of results that are indicative of the board's capability with an early BIOS and a quick look at Blu-ray playback results. First off, even with less than stellar drivers, the board's performance was equal to or better than the current 780G/790GX motherboards and it will only improve. How much is up for discussion as AMD designated the new chipset just a half point higher for a reason.

The graphics core in the 785G is upgraded from the HD3200/3300 utilized in the 780G/790GX to the HD4200. The primary difference between the cores is that the HD4200 fully supports DX10.1, Unified Video Decoder 2.0 (UVD), hardware accelerated picture in picture capabilities, dynamic contrast, HQ video scaling, hardware accelerated video transcoding, and full Powerplay support. The graphics core still runs at 500MHz (in current form) and at least in our particular sample, we were able to reach 1057MHz without too much trouble.

What does all this mean? For one, thanks to the HD4200, AMD finally offers multi-channel LPCM audio output plus additional hardware video accelerated functions. As far as performance is concerned, expect a 5%~ 15% performance increase in games. That sounds impressive, but playing the Sims3 at 1024x768 with medium quality settings resulted in an average framerate increase from 23.9fps on the 780G to 26.1fps on the 785G with alpha level drivers. The biggest difference occurred in minimum frame rates with an increase from 12fps on the 780G to 15fps on the 785G. Otherwise, the GPU capabilities are fine for casual gaming (Plants vs Zombies) and flash based games.

Of course most users purchasing this type of product are not that interested in gaming and if you are, then we highly suggest buying a HD 4770 or HD 4850 for 1680x1050 or below resolutions. Anything higher, and we suggest a HD 4890 based on current price to performance ratios. The main purpose of this chipset is to capture the mainstream desktop market, you know, the market where 90% of units sold are with integrated graphic capabilities only.

When paired with the Athlon II X2 250 processor we utilized in early testing, this platform is an extremely compelling alternative to the Intel G41/E6300 combination. Considering the number of features and platform performance that AMD provides with the 785G/SB710 chipset compared to the G41/ICH7, we have to wonder why one go the Intel route, even this early in the game. Our original plans called for a direct comparison between the two platforms but that will have to wait until the official release next month with production ready drivers. AMD will have an official release candidate ready shortly and we expect the boards to ship with the 9.8 Catalyst driver set.

That said, early results with HD video playback are very promising. However, the majority of missing driver features center on the lack of Avivo options. Vector Adaptive de-interlacing was working in our driver set with Aero enabled under Windows 7 Ultimate x64 (build 7600), but we noticed some slight edge flickering in titles like Wanted and The Dark Knight. The entire Avivo section in the driver set is missing so we do not know if features like HD Color Vibrance, HD Flesh Tone, HD Pulldown detection, HD edge enhancement, and dynamic contrast will be fully supported or not. We have asked the question and will have an update once we get an answer. 1080p/24 support is working properly as is multi-channel LPCM audio output through several A/V receivers.

 


H.264 Blu-ray Playback: Simpsons BD


H.264 Blu-ray Playback: Simpsons BD


H.264 Playback Power Consumption


H.264 Playback Power Consumption

In our only test today we see very good results in the Blu-ray playback capabilities of the 785G. So much so, that unless something drastic happens in the next driver release, we will stop recommending the purchase of a discrete video card on the AMD chipset platforms. We did not have any HDMI incompatibilities, no repeater issues to report, the 785G just worked and we think it will only get better.

Gigabyte has produced yet another sterling uATX motherboard that is fully featured. The full specification sheet is in our Gallery. We will not get into the all of the specifics today but one question that needs to be answered concerns the ability of the chipset/board to unlock the Athlon II X2 550 or Phenom II X3 720BE processors as one example. This board had no problems unlocking our particular retail units although your mileage will vary based on processor quality and BIOS options.






We utilized a retail Phenom II X4 955BE heatsink/fan for our overclock results. These coolers work great for overclocking either Athlon II X2 processor. The Athlon II X2 550 BE is unlocked with all four cores working properly and a nice stable overclock to 3.825GHz (19x201) on 1.50V. Our Athlon II X2 250 had no problems reaching a stable 3.825GHz (15x255) on 1.425V. We are using Windows 7 x64 so our final clock speeds are limited somewhat by the 4GHz ceiling we typically run into with the Phenom II/x64 combination.

That is it for our preview follow-up, suffice to say that AMD has produced another very good chipset that provides the most cost effective IG performance in the market. The Gigabyte GA-MA785GPMT-UD2H is quickly shaping up to be one of the boards to have when the 785G launches next month.

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  • buzznut - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    But for me, one of the biggest shortcomings is the limited function of the hybrid crossfire. I mean, there was next to no benefit by adding an HD3450 to the 780G/790GX onboard graphics, at least not for gaming. There was/is only two models of cards that would do hybrid crossfire.

    So I'm wondering with the designation HD 4200, would any of the HD 4XXX series cards be capable of hybrid crossfire? If so, an HD 4650 or 4670 low profile card would be ideal for a living room media center/ gaming box!

    Anybody know why AMD hasn't developed hybridd crossfire more?
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  • OblivionLord - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    What about non H.264 formats like VC-1 and also what about non DXVA compat videos? Those are also important factors. Reply
  • haplo602 - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    board layout seems to be bad. 2 PCI, 1 PCIe slots instead of 2x PCIe 1 PCI and the PCIe seems to be blocked by the chipset HS anyway. I hope the full review will address the PCIe 1x slot space.

    also CPU HSF retention frame seems to be too close to memory slots. will a Scytche Ninja Mini fit in there ?
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  • span - Tuesday, July 28, 2009 - link

    I've actually gotten one of this board from Newegg before they deactivated the item. Guess they let the cat out of the bag early.

    I've installed a HD tuner card in the PCIe slot and it worked just fine.

    Not sure about the CPU HSF retention frame. I'm using a 7780 and stock fan and seems to fit just fine. Send me a Ninja Mini and I'll let you know... :P

    In the mean-time, I am in driver hell as AMD does not support this chipset officially yet, and the current catalyst drivers/utils does not work with it. Anyone know where I can fine some beta/pre-release drivers?

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  • adnoto - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    "Before we could even try our hands at waterboarding Gigabyte's latest multimedia wonder, testing came to a grinding halt."

    Disgusting.
    Reply
  • faxon - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    the point wasn't to be funny (well given it was, but not for that reason), the point was that they are putting the board through a round of torture tests to see if it breaks. the comparison was rather accurate, regardless of how "PC" it was Reply
  • dmv915 - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    I can't believe no one noticed this. I was reading through the article, and was like, "Impossible, you can't unlock the Athlon II x2 because it's a true dual core." Then I realized that he meant the phenom II 550, please make a correction to the article I was completely thrown off. Reply
  • johnsonx - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    I noticed that too. But everything in the article, including the screen shots, seems to indicate they did in fact unlock an Athlon II X2 550BE. Yes, I know, we were all led to believe Athlon II's are a new true dual-core die based on the Phenom II architecture so there should be nothing to unlock.

    More explanation would be welcomed.
    Reply
  • sprockkets - Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - link

    In order to take advantage of nVidia's PureVideoHD, you need Media Center Classic Cinema Ed, or say a special build of mplayer on Linux.

    Any such support for it on free programs other than crappy WinDVD or Cyberlink software or on Linux?
    Reply
  • Spoelie - Thursday, July 16, 2009 - link

    MPC:HC is free.. Reply

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